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Old April 25th, 2017, 03:29 AM   #141
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excellent in principle. but people are human and sometimes fail to live up to their own standards. yes, she knows she is immature, yes she knows she isnt ready to raise a child, yes she knows how to use a condom. but she gets pregnant anyway. that happens. she isnt evil, she just made a mistake. maybe a series of mistakes. human beings do that.

so, she gets pregnant. now what?
Never said they were evil but taking a life for making a mistake
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Never said they were evil but taking a life for making a mistake
How's that?
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Old April 25th, 2017, 11:40 AM   #143
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me too. kind of.

i have 2 children, when my partner was pregnant, i loved the idea that i was going to become a father. i was aware early on that they are not yet developed into people, but the potential was there and i loved that feeling. we had names and everything. boy and girl names, because they werent yet people, they were just possibilities.



where the holy fucking hell did you get that from?

you are not evil. we just disagree on a few things. on some topics, such as biology and abortion, you are not well informed and argue from an emotional and religious position rather than a biological one, but that can be remedied. you arent evil, your position on abortion isnt evil either, i have never said anything to suggest you are and i would appreciate an apology.



neither of us have a problem. we have different opinions and different reasons for holding those opinions. this is a matter of biology, if you are going to have an opinion regarding the beginning of life it should be based on biology.
I could go over the biology: unique DNA, brain waves, response to pain, evidence of fetal memories in new borns. It's all there, and you're still not persuaded.
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I could go over the biology: unique DNA, brain waves, response to pain, evidence of fetal memories in new borns. It's all there, and you're still not persuaded.
are the findings you talk about objective?
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Old April 25th, 2017, 11:59 AM   #145
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I could go over the biology: unique DNA, brain waves, response to pain, evidence of fetal memories in new borns. It's all there, and you're still not persuaded.
What you consider evidence leaves a lot to be desired.
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What you consider evidence leaves a lot to be desired.
Since he has never presented any.
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Old April 25th, 2017, 04:51 PM   #147
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I could go over the biology: unique DNA, brain waves, response to pain, evidence of fetal memories in new borns. It's all there, and you're still not persuaded.
yes, i know it is all there. after about 24 weeks. when you get to the third trimester it is all there. i have said many times, once you get to that stage of development, you no longer have a foetus, you have an unborn baby. should it be born at that stage it would be premature, but would likely survive. it can and should, and in most cases is, considered a living human being. only nutters like gosnel would disagree.

i have posted this information more than once on this site. i have used exactly these points to make my case. brain activity, memories, meaningful reactions to stimuli, these are some of the things that define a human being, without them there is no human being. and these things dont exist prior to about 20-24 weeks gestation. after that yes, you have a baby, you have an unborn child, look after them. before that, you have a foetus that lacks the essential things that make a person a person.
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Never said they were evil but taking a life for making a mistake
a foetus is not a person. it is a foetus. killing a foetus might make you sad, or it might make you relieved, either way, nobody dies. there is death of tissue, killing of cells, loss of potential, but not the loss of a person.
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yes, i know it is all there. after about 24 weeks. when you get to the third trimester it is all there. i have said many times, once you get to that stage of development, you no longer have a foetus, you have an unborn baby. should it be born at that stage it would be premature, but would likely survive. it can and should, and in most cases is, considered a living human being. only nutters like gosnel would disagree.

i have posted this information more than once on this site. i have used exactly these points to make my case. brain activity, memories, meaningful reactions to stimuli, these are some of the things that define a human being, without them there is no human being. and these things dont exist prior to about 20-24 weeks gestation. after that yes, you have a baby, you have an unborn child, look after them. before that, you have a foetus that lacks the essential things that make a person a person.
Is there any real evidence for pre-birth memory? And is reaction to stimuli at 30 weeks any more than what is shown by some plants?
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Is there any real evidence for pre-birth memory? And is reaction to stimuli at 30 weeks any more than what is shown by some plants?
there is some evidence that a born baby can recognise music played to it before it was born. if it was played late in the pregnancy, in the weeks before birth, the end of the third trimester.

and reaction to stimuli can involve moving (or trying to move) toward or away from it, which is obviously something plants cannot do. true this is very primitive movement, its not any more complex than what a worm or snail could do, but its not nothing.

but all this is late in the pregnancy, after about 20-24 weeks, depending on how and exactly what is measured. none of it happens before 20 weeks.

if i have to debunk that bloody "fetal brain waves at 6 weeks" article YET AGAIN, i will be very pissed off.
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