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Old February 20th, 2017, 04:24 PM   #61
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Fetus, Latin word meaning small child.
Salary, coming from the Latin word for salt.

You'd be OK with your boss paying you in salt from now on?
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Old March 5th, 2017, 06:11 PM   #62
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Salary, coming from the Latin word for salt.

You'd be OK with your boss paying you in salt from now on?
I think I am worth my salt.

It's still a fail to use a word from a different language for child in an attempt to dehumanize a child.
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what if parents dont give consent?
Who is ultimately responsible? And were does the father fit in to your, non-consent remark? Who is, or is not, protecting the unborn child? This is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't issues that can be answered on only on a case by case examination.
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Who is ultimately responsible? And were does the father fit in to your, non-consent remark? Who is, or is not, protecting the unborn child? This is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't issues that can be answered on only on a case by case examination.
i was thinking about this thread over the last few days, interesting to find this comment.

in reality, any underage pregnancy is dealt with case by case. and its dealt with by the people on the ground - doctors, nursers, social workers, sometimes with parents/ father involved, sometimes without them, depending on the unique set of circumstances surrounding each case.

sure there might be laws in various juristictions that say parents must be involved, or must be informed, or whatever. but there are also plenty of ways these laws can be circumvented; in an emergency, for example, or if there is a risk of abuse. and it doesnt need to be done through court, there is no panel or third party overseeing it, it can be done by a doctor or social worker signing the right forms on the day.

so, whats the point of the laws? the laws say the parents must be involved and informed, except when they shouldnt be. why have them at all? i think there is an answer to that: the laws keep conservatives happy.
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I think I am worth my salt.

It's still a fail to use a word from a different language for child in an attempt to dehumanize a child.
Actually YOU are the one attempting to use a word from another (ancient) in an attempt to bolster your claim that fetus is a child. I'm merely pointing out how silly that argument is.
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Actually YOU are the one attempting to use a word from another (ancient) in an attempt to bolster your claim that fetus is a child. I'm merely pointing out how silly that argument is.
No, until people started trying to justify the murder of the unborn, they were called babies. People trying to justify their murder are the ones who bring up the word fetus.
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I think I am worth my salt.

It's still a fail to use a word from a different language for child in an attempt to dehumanize a child.
nobody is dehumanising anything.

we all acknowledge it is a human foetus, which, given the right circumstances, will become a human child.

that child will become a human adult and eventually die leaving a human corpse. at every step of the way it is human.
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No, until people started trying to justify the murder of the unborn, they were called babies. People trying to justify their murder are the ones who bring up the word fetus.
bullshit. most people i have spoken to who are pregnant refer to the foetus as "it" for the first several months. those who have miscarriages are sad, but they recover. having a miscarriage is nothing whatsoever comparable to having a child die. foetuses and babies just arent the same, and never have been.
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No, until people started trying to justify the murder of the unborn, they were called babies. People trying to justify their murder are the ones who bring up the word fetus.
No, the referring to the fetus as a child is an emotional issue, not a scientifically fact based issue.

People started differentiating between fetus and baby (especially in medical circles) when science was able to show that a fetus is NOT a baby.

When abortion was made legal those opposed to it tried to fight the scientific nomenclature in an attempt at what can best be described as "emotional blackmail". Paint the fetus as a baby then you can try to take the moral high ground.
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No one has to justify an abortion to anyone but themselves .
In other words it's none of your fucking business .
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