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Old April 11th, 2018, 08:49 AM   #1
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All Socialism Involves Slavery

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What is essential to the idea of a slave? We primarily think of him as one who is owned by another. To be more than nominal, however, the ownership must be shown by control of the slave’s actions—a control which is habitually for the benefit of the controller. That which fundamentally distinguishes the slave is that he labours under coercion to satisfy another’s desires. The relation admits of sundry gradations. Remembering that originally the slave is a prisoner whose life is at the mercy of his captor, it suffices here to note that there is a harsh form of slavery in which, treated as an animal, he has to expend his entire effort for his owner’s advantage. Under a system less harsh, though occupied chiefly in working for his owner, he is allowed a short time in which to work for himself, and some ground on which to grow extra food. A further amelioration gives him power to sell the produce of his plot and keep the proceeds. Then we come to the still more moderated form which commonly arises where, having been a free man working on his own land, conquest turns him into what we distinguish as a serf; and he has to give to his owner each year a fixed amount of labour or produce, or both: retaining the rest himself. Finally, in some cases, as in Russia before serfdom was abolished, he is allowed to leave his owner’s estate and work or trade for himself elsewhere, under the condition that he shall pay an annual sum. What is it which, in these cases, leads us to qualify our conception of the slavery as more or less severe?
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Society is socialism. No avoiding it because that is nature. I guess the whole world are slaves. Name one society in world history that does not socialize ?
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This is a total lie and this thread should be removed. This is nothing but pure evil and should not be tolerated
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Old April 11th, 2018, 03:48 PM   #4
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Society is socialism. No avoiding it because that is nature. I guess the whole world are slaves. Name one society in world history that does not socialize ?
Yeah, i don't think so. Lets look up the definition of socialism.



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so·cial·ism
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noun

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.



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Society is socialism. No avoiding it because that is nature. I guess the whole world are slaves. Name one society in world history that does not socialize ?
Are you really trying to say that mere human interaction with each other is the same as the political and economical idea of Socialism?

So you cant justify Socialism on its core, so you really just have to make up stuff to try to do it. That should tell you all you really need to know about Socialism.
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He is a liar
I do not know. He may actually believe that saying hello to one another means socialism as a political/economical ideology is the same thing. That would just make him an idiot
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Are you really trying to say that mere human interaction with each other is the same as the political and economical idea of Socialism?

So you cant justify Socialism on its core, so you really just have to make up stuff to try to do it. That should tell you all you really need to know about Socialism.
That is exactly what I am saying. Government representatives have constituents. They must please constituents. In every society the constituents are divided into two groups - the wealthy and the majority that are not wealthy. Politicians are divided between these two groups of constituents and they appeal to their group of constituents by supporting policies that benefits their constituents. That is human nature.

We can parse the differences between the U.S. and Russia but at the end of the day both societies have a class of oligarch’s that control the majority of the wealth. How both countries ended up there is just a matter of semantics.
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That is exactly what I am saying. Government representatives have constituents. They must please constituents. In every society the constituents are divided into two groups - the wealthy and the majority that are not wealthy. Politicians are divided between these two groups of constituents and they appeal to their group of constituents by supporting policies that benefits their constituents. That is human nature.

We can parse the differences between the U.S. and Russia but at the end of the day both societies have a class of oligarch’s that control the majority of the wealth. How both countries ended up there is just a matter of semantics.
That has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with socializing with one another through normal human interaction. What you are describing is political association. Its not the same thing. Its not even close.
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If by Socialism you mean the rounding up of all the fat cats, lining them up against the wal l and executing them, I suppose it's something to be avoided.

If by Socialism you mean a system that equitably distributes the production of the people, that's another thing.
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