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Old September 3rd, 2009, 04:35 PM   #1
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Afghanistan Is Not 'Obama's War'

In his column for the Washington Post on Tuesday, the influential conservative George Will provided intellectual fodder for the campaign among some Republicans to hang the Afghanistan war around the Obama administration's neck. Washington, he wrote, should "keep faith" with our fighting men and women by "rapidly reversing the trajectory of America's involvement in Afghanistan." "Obama's war," a locution one is now beginning to hear from other conservatives, is an expression of discontent that has been smoldering beneath the surface for several months.



The weakening public support for continuing the counterinsurgency campaign is not surprising. In the midst of an economic crisis people are tempted to draw inward. Add to that a general war weariness in the U.S. and the fact that the Afghanistan war is not going well right now—violence in Afghanistan is already far worse this year than last—and you have the makings of an unpopular conflict.



But the case of conservative opposition to the war in Afghanistan—as well as increasingly in Iraq—is symptomatic of something larger: the long history of political parties out of power advancing a neo-isolationist outlook. For example, Democrats were vocal opponents of President Reagan's support for the Nicaraguan contras and the democratic government in El Salvador, the U.S. invasion of Grenada, the deployment of cruise and Pershing missiles in Europe, and the forceful stand against the Soviet Union generally.



Many Democrats were also uneasy with or outright hostile to the policies of President George H.W. Bush. That included strong criticisms of the U.S. liberation of Panama and widespread Democratic opposition to the first Gulf War, which only 10 Senate Democrats voted to authorize.


Dan Senor and Peter Wehner: Afghanistan Is Not ‘Obama’s War’ - WSJ.com
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In his column for the Washington Post on Tuesday, the influential conservative George Will provided intellectual fodder for the campaign among some Republicans to hang the Afghanistan war around the Obama administration's neck. Washington, he wrote, should "keep faith" with our fighting men and women by "rapidly reversing the trajectory of America's involvement in Afghanistan." "Obama's war," a locution one is now beginning to hear from other conservatives, is an expression of discontent that has been smoldering beneath the surface for several months.



The weakening public support for continuing the counterinsurgency campaign is not surprising. In the midst of an economic crisis people are tempted to draw inward. Add to that a general war weariness in the U.S. and the fact that the Afghanistan war is not going well right now—violence in Afghanistan is already far worse this year than last—and you have the makings of an unpopular conflict.



But the case of conservative opposition to the war in Afghanistan—as well as increasingly in Iraq—is symptomatic of something larger: the long history of political parties out of power advancing a neo-isolationist outlook. For example, Democrats were vocal opponents of President Reagan's support for the Nicaraguan contras and the democratic government in El Salvador, the U.S. invasion of Grenada, the deployment of cruise and Pershing missiles in Europe, and the forceful stand against the Soviet Union generally.



Many Democrats were also uneasy with or outright hostile to the policies of President George H.W. Bush. That included strong criticisms of the U.S. liberation of Panama and widespread Democratic opposition to the first Gulf War, which only 10 Senate Democrats voted to authorize.

Dan Senor and Peter Wehner: Afghanistan Is Not ‘Obama’s War’ - WSJ.com
The article seems pretty damn accurate.
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I thought it was pretty unrealistic.

For starters, once Obama was sworn in, it became his war. He had the opportunity from day 1 to withdraw or do whatever he wanted. What he wanted was to expand the war.

I supported the initial action because the Bush Administration fought it the right way: small units using guerrilla tactics supporting local troops. That's the way to win, or at least draw.

Obama wants to fight it like Vietnam: build a big enough killing machine and let it loose. That's the way to lose. Every army that has tried that in Afghanistan has gotten its ass kicked. The Russians couldn't do it, and they had a border with the country. Obama is making exactly the same mistakes Johnson made in Vietnam: declaring sanctuaries to avoid civilian casualties, trying to take and hold territory, and concentating o a hearts and minds campaign. It wont work. It will waste lives needlessly.

The Left in this country can't stand a war that isn't over before the commercial break. So they were fine, more or less, with Afghanistan under Bush. Even there I remember many calls of quagmire.

So now Obama will find the same thing, not from the conservatives or Republcans nearly as much as from his own party.
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It is unrealistic to anyone who believes that the United States tax payers should support israel forever!



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It is unrealistic to anyone who believes that the United States tax payers should support israel forever!



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What does this have to do with Obama and Afghanistan?

Oh yeah. When someone disagrees with you start shouting Kike and change the subject.
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War or folly, whatever it can be called. It does seem unfair to stick a war label on another president after his predecessor had one started while he was president.



WWII - FDR and Truman. FDR got the USA into it after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

Vietnam - JFK, Johnson, Nixon

Iraq/Afghanistan - GWB and Obama
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War or folly, whatever it can be called. It does seem unfair to stick a war label on another president after his predecessor had one started while he was president.



WWII - FDR and Truman. FDR got the USA into it after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

Vietnam - JFK, Johnson, Nixon

Iraq/Afghanistan - GWB and Obama


Do people blame JFK for Vietnam? No. They blame Johnson for its expansion and they blame Nixon for its expansion and then defeat.

Every president inherits problems from his predecessor. How he handles those problems will determine his reputation.

Obama has changed dramatically the character of the Afghan war in ways I mentioned above. So any results, good or bad, are his.
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One is oil and gas pipelines through Afghanistan to Pakistani port of Gwadar (Balochistan) and then shipped to refineries in Israel!



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That's relevant to a discussion of the Afghan war, how exactly?
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