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Old December 4th, 2014, 08:40 AM   #1
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What does the US get in return for being allies with Israel?

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america gets the front line for the war on the west to stay in the middle east. imagine there was no israel, who would the islamists fight then? the borders of the islamic world would fall on india, europe and africa. its in everyones interests to have israel there to take the heat.

plus it gives a proving ground for military technology that america may well rely on at some point to protect her own soldiers. its good to have them combat tested.

plus, america keeps harping on about democracy and freedom and the middle east is the worlds biggest failure on those scores. why is it inappropriate to continue to champion the one nation in the region that gets it?

more cynically, it gets the major political parties financial and corproate support from the jewish constituency in the united states. i suspect this is a fairly small part of the whole.

whether this is enough or not is open to debate.

in relation to your question, whats your answer?
My, my, that's what we get in return from our ally....

If there was no Israel, the islamists would do what they've done, consistently, for almost 1,400 years: Kill each other.

Israel doesn't take the heat. Israel causes the heat.

And how good and nice and rather convenient too, Israel's testing US military hardware on families living in Gaza. Jesus.............

America needs to stop harping on democracy and freedom in the Middle East and everywhere else. By now, those with functioning brains have seen that democracy and freedom can't be transplanted nor defended by an outside force. Plus, we've got a basket of problems that require our attention.

My opinion is that we get nothing from our being allies with Israel. No thing.

My advice to the Israelis? Find your 2014 version of Yitzhak Rabin, and once you do give him a little better protection than Rabin received on his assassination day.

Remember when Rabin, a warrior and politician, began to lead Israel down a secular path to peace.

Remember Rabin's role in the Oslo Accords creating the Palestinian National Authority and granting it limited authority over parts of the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

Remember that before the accords were signed, PLO chairman Arafat sent Rabin a letter renouncing violence and officially recognising Israel. Rabin in turn sent Arafat a letter officially recognising the PLO.



Rabin: "We who have fought against you, the Palestinians, we say to you today, in a loud and a clear voice, enough of blood and tears ... enough!"

And say no to leaders who never want any peace, such as Ariel Sharon. Remember how he effectively ended the peace process with his arrogant visit to the Temple Mount, complex accompanied by more than 1,000 Israeli police officers. Remember his declaration that the complex would remain under Israeli control in perpetuity. Remember, that on the day following his announcement, Palestinian protestors lobbed rocks at the police, who responded with live ammunition killing four and injuring ~200 demonstrators.

Remember, Netanyahu opposed giving limited control of Gaza to the Palestinians.

Remember, Netanyahu has lied to the US on several occasions.
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What do we get? In my opinion nothing at all.
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Excellent and salient, Dragon:

"america keeps harping on about democracy and freedom and the middle east is the worlds biggest failure on those scores. why is it inappropriate to continue to champion the one nation in the region that gets it?"

The answer is hatred of all things Jewish. The term "Zionism" tries to walk a politically correct line...but it's still a hatred of all things Jewish.
That's not merely a lie. It's damned lie. It's a goddamned lie told by people who apparently are confused over their citizenship, and the nation to which they owe their first allegiance.

That "hatred of all things Jewish" character-assassinating lie has been used to silence ANY criticism of Israeli politicians and politics, and it's WAY past time to call total bullshit on this transparent tactic, even at the risk of being called "anti-semitic."

As a side note, you've revealed your agreement with the liberal Democrat Wilson, who signed the Federal Reserve System into law as he proclaimed the US to be the world's defender of democracy.
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That "hatred of all things Jewish" character-assassinating lie has been used to silence ANY criticism of Israeli politicians and politics, and it's WAY past time to call total bullshit on this transparent tactic, even at the risk of being called "anti-semitic."
I couldn't agree more.
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Not at all. I always thought the Zionist argument was baseless precisely because it's not limited to Jews. Basically it's just another form of the Illuminati argument.
You may begin your education here: Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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You may begin your education here: Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My education? We're on the Internet and you don't know me or who was hooked up with in the past but I know how that word is used and your Wikipedia article is wrong. You going to throw the SLPC website at me next?

Zionist is not equivalent to "Jew" and doesn't have anything at all to do with the Jewish homeland, it does mean that someone backs a certain philosophy forwarded by some Jews but not all and it's not limited to Jews. It has to do with finances not territory.
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My education? We're on the Internet and you don't know me or who was hooked up with in the past but I know how that word is used and your Wikipedia article is wrong. You going to throw the SLPC website at me next?

Zionist is not equivalent to "Jew" and doesn't have anything at all to do with the Jewish homeland, it does mean that someone backs a certain philosophy forwarded by some Jews but not all and it's not limited to Jews. It has to do with finances not territory.
Absolutely "Zionist" has nothing to do with "Jew."

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Yep, basically that's the Masonic-Illuminati-Jewish banker-approved layout for Washington DC, right?
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"What does the US get in return for being allies with Israel?"

A tangible benefit, that is readily seen and appreciated, is a US radar station inside Israel.

Dimona Radar Facility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Other benefits include intelligence sharing, weapons design and research cooperation and dealing with mutual security threats, among other things.

The relationship isn't of mutual benefit or symmetrical. Obviously, the Israelis need us way more than we need them. But that's most probably true for any alliance we have with any country.

And it never hurts to be on good terms with the only capable and functioning democracy in the region, this cannot be stressed enough. Our relationship with Israel is the only one that isn't predicated upon the US supporting some dictator, strongman or military junta. The US gets a ton of grief for our support of such regimes, why would we even question our relationship with Israel?
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