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Old December 12th, 2015, 11:11 AM   #51
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I lived for 20 years in San Diego. The place is built on top of a giant ant metropolis that probably extends from San Francisco Bay to the Gulf of Cortez. They would come into the house any time night or day in a phalanx sometimes two inches across. Stopping them from inside the house was near impossible. The only way to stop the invasion was to cut them off at the source. Once the nest was destroyed and the point of entry sealed, then you could suck the rest of the invaders up with a shop vac. It was the only way to keep them from coming back.

A western coalition of boots on the ground is probably the only chance of minimizing the domestic threat here at home. I don't want to see this happen, but it appears to me that they aren't going to give us any choice. You can only negotiate peace with people who want to negotiate. It's rather like trying to talk a band of gunmen out of robbing your store.

Remember the Barbary Pirate threat in 1802? They raided U.S. shipping in the Mediterranean until Jefferson finally sent in the Marines and stormed their base of operations. That finally solved the problem.
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Old December 12th, 2015, 11:22 AM   #52
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I lived for 20 years in San Diego. The place is built on top of a giant ant metropolis that probably extends from San Francisco Bay to the Gulf of Cortez. They would come into the house any time night or day in a phalanx sometimes two inches across. Stopping them from inside the house was near impossible. The only way to stop the invasion was to cut them off at the source. Once the nest was destroyed and the point of entry sealed, then you could suck the rest of the invaders up with a shop vac. It was the only way to keep them from coming back.

A western coalition of boots on the ground is probably the only chance of minimizing the domestic threat here at home. I don't want to see this happen, but it appears to me that they aren't going to give us any choice. You can only negotiate peace with people who want to negotiate. It's rather like trying to talk a band of gunmen out of robbing your store.

Remember the Barbary Pirate threat in 1802? They raided U.S. shipping in the Mediterranean until Jefferson finally sent in the Marines and stormed their base of operations. That finally solved the problem.
That both those analogies have one fatal flaw. In both of your examples the enemy has a base to destroy. ISIS does not, it is fluid and can disappear into the background.

That is the problem fighting an asymmetric war against a guerilla force. For all the atrocities they are said to commit, for them to be as successful where they operate suggest to me that they in fact do have a lot of support from the populous.
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That both those analogies have one fatal flaw. In both of your examples the enemy has a base to destroy. ISIS does not, it is fluid and can disappear into the background.

That is the problem fighting an asymmetric war against a guerilla force. For all the atrocities they are said to commit, for them to be as successful where they operate suggest to me that they in fact do have a lot of support from the populous.
I may be wrong. I was under the impression that they regarded themselves as "territorial". What we don't want to do is to send in a token punitive force to chase them around the desert the way we did Pancho Villa.
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I may be wrong. I was under the impression that they regarded themselves as "territorial". What we don't want to do is to send in a token punitive force to chase them around the desert the way we did Pancho Villa.
Exactly. If you are going to war, it should be all out, kill them and damn the collateral damage. Are you willing to commit the 100s of thousands of troops that would be necessary to subjugate and then keep subjugated basically the entire ME?
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I hoped that's Russia go for help to Iraqi Army. Mayne turkish will have Kurdistan from north Iraq with troops in war turkish vs PKK. PKK is biggest enemy for Turkey and now turkish will have operations in Kurds territorium. IS do nothing when turkish go for troops in Kurds territorium ?! IS will have southern and northern Iraq then Syria but I will only Kurdistan or Syria after Turkey have fight down at least 130.000 troops of PKK then IS taken over and won vs Kurds.

What coke want in Iraq ?? Same like me ?? Kurds lands to IS after Turkey do jobs ??
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Old December 12th, 2015, 12:23 PM   #56
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Exactly. If you are going to war, it should be all out, kill them and damn the collateral damage. Are you willing to commit the 100s of thousands of troops that would be necessary to subjugate and then keep subjugated basically the entire ME?
Good point. Short of turning the U.S. into a police state, can you think of another way to get these militants to stop shooting up Christmas parties?
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Good point. Short of turning the U.S. into a police state, can you think of another way to get these militants to stop shooting up Christmas parties?
Not saying the reasoning is totally justified, but it is an inescapable fact that the west, and lately to a large part the US has messed with the ME. Pull out totally. Leave them alone. Let them handle their own tyrannical dictators. Every time we have interfered, we haven't improved things and just made them madder at us.

And with time, they will return more and more of their attention on what they do best, killing each other.
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We can win a ground war outright. We just dont have the will to do it. Thats why I oppose any action at all in the middle east. I am opposed to the aerial bombing as well. I think all US forces should be withdrawn immediately. The only exception is naval units to keep the oil flowing.
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We can win a ground war outright. We just dont have the will to do it. Thats why I oppose any action at all in the middle east. I am opposed to the aerial bombing as well. I think all US forces should be withdrawn immediately. The only exception is naval units to keep the oil flowing.
So continue the exploitation and imperialism but pull our troops out?
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So continue the exploitation and imperialism but pull our troops out?
The navy would just keep the sea lanes open. I do not care who controls the oil. What good is controlling oil if your not going to sell it? So, who ever controls it will still sell it.
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