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Old September 7th, 2015, 05:51 PM   #11
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Since Libertine thanked coke's post, I'm addressing both of ya.

Feb. 2012:
Republicans voice support for arming Syria rebels
Huckabee: GOP would 'go further' on Iran than Obama

At Arizona debate of presidential hopefuls, Romney says support for anti-Assad forces is needed to turn Syria away from Iran.


MESA, Ariz. - US Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich on Wednesday lent their support to the idea of arming the Syrian opposition in its fight to topple President Bashar Assad.

..."If we can turn Syria and Lebanon away from Iran, we finally have the capacity to get Iran to pull back," Romney said. He added that the United States should make it clear that military action would be taken if Iran pursued nuclear weapons.

...Speaking at the debate, Gingrich said that US allies - which he did not name - were covertly helping destroy the Assad regime, and that there were weapons available in the region to arm the opposition.

"There are plenty of Arab-speaking groups that would be quite happy. There are lots of weapons available in the Middle East," he said, taking a swipe at the Obama administration's policy on Syria.

"This is an administration which, as long as you're America's enemy, you're safe. You know, the only people you've got to worry about is if you're an American ally."

...The United States and its allies hope that a conference in Tunis this week will allow them to begin drawing up a plan for Syria after Russia and China vetoed a Western-backed Arab League peace plan at the UN Security Council.
Republicans voice support for arming Syria rebels - Diplomacy & Politics - Jerusalem Post

May 2012:
Obama will not arm Syrian rebels; Romney sees a 'lack of leadership'

President Obama and Mitt Romney on Tuesday offered clashing views over whether to arm insurgents in Syria after a weekend massacre left more than 100 people dead and drew international condemnation.

Romney called for the United States and partner nations to “arm the opposition so they can defend themselves” against the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad, but White House press secretary Jay Carney warned that would lead to more “chaos and carnage” and was “not the right course.”
Sept. 11, 2014:
HOUSE REPUBLICANS DRAFT PROPOSAL TO ARM SYRIAN REBELS

House Republicans plan to unveil legislation to provide the Obama administration a limited authority to arm and train the Free Syrian Army, in a proposal that will require that Congress is kept in the loop, according to reports.

According to Politico, which obtained a draft of the legislation, the proposal would grant the Obama administration the authority to arm and train the Syrian rebels. It further will require Defense Sec. Chuck Hagel update Congress 15 days before the armament begins and additional status reports every 90 days.

Politico’s report notes that the legislation is frank in its limitations, stressing that it does not provide any authority for the use of military force.
House Republicans Draft Proposal to Arm Syrian Rebels - Breitbart

Sept. 18, 2014
Congress Votes to Arm Syrian Rebels


The Senate voted late Thursday to approve a measure authorizing the Obama Administration to arm Syrian rebels in a vote that united many of the chamber’s liberals and conservatives.

The 78-22 vote followed on a 319-108 vote in favor of the measure Wednesday in the House of Representatives, sending the bill, which also funds the U.S. government through November, to President Barack Obama for signature. The vote clears the way for the U.S. to directly arm and train “moderate” rebels in the fight against both Syrian President Bashar Assad and the militant group Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS).
Congress Votes to Arm Syrian Rebels

Oct. 16, 2014
Poll: If We Arm Syrian Rebels Americans Say 78% Chance Weapons Will Be Used Against US Eventually

Americans are becoming increasingly skeptical that strategic US military interventions abroad won’t eventually backfire. The latest Reason-Rupe poll finds that 55 percent of Americans oppose arming Syrian rebels in efforts to fight against ISIS, while 35 percent support such action.

One reason Americans oppose sending weapons to the rebels may be that they believe there’s a 78 percent chance those weapons will eventually be turned around and used against American soldiers or US allies.

Public reluctance to arm Syrian rebels to fight ISIS may be indicative of a broader hesitancy to be as involved in the Middle Eastern region. Reason-Rupe finds only 28 percent of Americans want to increase US military presence around the world. Another 36 percent want to decrease American global military presence, and another third are content with the status quo.

Perhaps one reason Americans aren’t more supportive of expanding US involvement is disillusionment with US handling of the 2003 Iraq War. Only 14 percent believe the war actually reduced the threat of terrorism; another 38 percent think it instigated even more terrorism.
Poll: If We Arm Syrian Rebels Americans Say 78% Chance Weapons Will Be Used Against US Eventually - Reason-Rupe Surveys : Reason.com

Obama Derangement Syndrome is a serious, debilitating disease, affecting tens of millions....
That post kind of brings new meaning to the term "game, set, match".
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Old September 7th, 2015, 06:21 PM   #12
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Them dang pesky facts.
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Old September 7th, 2015, 06:29 PM   #13
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Them dang pesky facts.
They can really throw some cold water on a perfectly good derangement syndrome...
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Since Libertine thanked coke's post, I'm addressing both of ya.

Feb. 2012:
Republicans voice support for arming Syria rebels
Huckabee: GOP would 'go further' on Iran than Obama

At Arizona debate of presidential hopefuls, Romney says support for anti-Assad forces is needed to turn Syria away from Iran.


MESA, Ariz. - US Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich on Wednesday lent their support to the idea of arming the Syrian opposition in its fight to topple President Bashar Assad.

..."If we can turn Syria and Lebanon away from Iran, we finally have the capacity to get Iran to pull back," Romney said. He added that the United States should make it clear that military action would be taken if Iran pursued nuclear weapons.

...Speaking at the debate, Gingrich said that US allies - which he did not name - were covertly helping destroy the Assad regime, and that there were weapons available in the region to arm the opposition.

"There are plenty of Arab-speaking groups that would be quite happy. There are lots of weapons available in the Middle East," he said, taking a swipe at the Obama administration's policy on Syria.

"This is an administration which, as long as you're America's enemy, you're safe. You know, the only people you've got to worry about is if you're an American ally."

...The United States and its allies hope that a conference in Tunis this week will allow them to begin drawing up a plan for Syria after Russia and China vetoed a Western-backed Arab League peace plan at the UN Security Council.
Republicans voice support for arming Syria rebels - Diplomacy & Politics - Jerusalem Post

May 2012:
Obama will not arm Syrian rebels; Romney sees a 'lack of leadership'

President Obama and Mitt Romney on Tuesday offered clashing views over whether to arm insurgents in Syria after a weekend massacre left more than 100 people dead and drew international condemnation.

Romney called for the United States and partner nations to “arm the opposition so they can defend themselves” against the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad, but White House press secretary Jay Carney warned that would lead to more “chaos and carnage” and was “not the right course.”
Sept. 11, 2014:
HOUSE REPUBLICANS DRAFT PROPOSAL TO ARM SYRIAN REBELS

House Republicans plan to unveil legislation to provide the Obama administration a limited authority to arm and train the Free Syrian Army, in a proposal that will require that Congress is kept in the loop, according to reports.

According to Politico, which obtained a draft of the legislation, the proposal would grant the Obama administration the authority to arm and train the Syrian rebels. It further will require Defense Sec. Chuck Hagel update Congress 15 days before the armament begins and additional status reports every 90 days.

Politico’s report notes that the legislation is frank in its limitations, stressing that it does not provide any authority for the use of military force.
House Republicans Draft Proposal to Arm Syrian Rebels - Breitbart

Sept. 18, 2014
Congress Votes to Arm Syrian Rebels


The Senate voted late Thursday to approve a measure authorizing the Obama Administration to arm Syrian rebels in a vote that united many of the chamber’s liberals and conservatives.

The 78-22 vote followed on a 319-108 vote in favor of the measure Wednesday in the House of Representatives, sending the bill, which also funds the U.S. government through November, to President Barack Obama for signature. The vote clears the way for the U.S. to directly arm and train “moderate” rebels in the fight against both Syrian President Bashar Assad and the militant group Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS).
Congress Votes to Arm Syrian Rebels

Oct. 16, 2014
Poll: If We Arm Syrian Rebels Americans Say 78% Chance Weapons Will Be Used Against US Eventually

Americans are becoming increasingly skeptical that strategic US military interventions abroad won’t eventually backfire. The latest Reason-Rupe poll finds that 55 percent of Americans oppose arming Syrian rebels in efforts to fight against ISIS, while 35 percent support such action.

One reason Americans oppose sending weapons to the rebels may be that they believe there’s a 78 percent chance those weapons will eventually be turned around and used against American soldiers or US allies.

Public reluctance to arm Syrian rebels to fight ISIS may be indicative of a broader hesitancy to be as involved in the Middle Eastern region. Reason-Rupe finds only 28 percent of Americans want to increase US military presence around the world. Another 36 percent want to decrease American global military presence, and another third are content with the status quo.

Perhaps one reason Americans aren’t more supportive of expanding US involvement is disillusionment with US handling of the 2003 Iraq War. Only 14 percent believe the war actually reduced the threat of terrorism; another 38 percent think it instigated even more terrorism.
Poll: If We Arm Syrian Rebels Americans Say 78% Chance Weapons Will Be Used Against US Eventually - Reason-Rupe Surveys : Reason.com

Obama Derangement Syndrome is a serious, debilitating disease, affecting tens of millions....
Good job! You said the same thing I did in a much larger post. Somehow I think you got out of what I said that Obama did something and I supported arming Syrian rebels? Maybe you should join the socialist and assign me a religion why you are at it. I always had a hankering for Buddhism by the way
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Good job! You said the same thing I did in a much larger post. Somehow I think you got out of what I said that Obama did something and I supported arming Syrian rebels? Maybe you should join the socialist and assign me a religion why you are at it. I always had a hankering for Buddhism by the way
Buddhism it is for you!!
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Old September 8th, 2015, 07:36 AM   #16
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Feb. 2012:
Republicans voice support for arming Syria rebels
Huckabee: GOP would 'go further' on Iran than Obama

At Arizona debate of presidential hopefuls, Romney says support for anti-Assad forces is needed to turn Syria away from Iran.


MESA, Ariz. - US Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich on Wednesday lent their support to the idea of arming the Syrian opposition in its fight to topple President Bashar Assad.

..."If we can turn Syria and Lebanon away from Iran, we finally have the capacity to get Iran to pull back," Romney said. He added that the United States should make it clear that military action would be taken if Iran pursued nuclear weapons.

...Speaking at the debate, Gingrich said that US allies - which he did not name - were covertly helping destroy the Assad regime, and that there were weapons available in the region to arm the opposition.

"There are plenty of Arab-speaking groups that would be quite happy. There are lots of weapons available in the Middle East," he said, taking a swipe at the Obama administration's policy on Syria.

"This is an administration which, as long as you're America's enemy, you're safe. You know, the only people you've got to worry about is if you're an American ally."

...The United States and its allies hope that a conference in Tunis this week will allow them to begin drawing up a plan for Syria after Russia and China vetoed a Western-backed Arab League peace plan at the UN Security Council.
Republicans voice support for arming Syria rebels - Diplomacy & Politics - Jerusalem Post

May 2012:
Obama will not arm Syrian rebels; Romney sees a 'lack of leadership'

President Obama and Mitt Romney on Tuesday offered clashing views over whether to arm insurgents in Syria after a weekend massacre left more than 100 people dead and drew international condemnation.

Romney called for the United States and partner nations to “arm the opposition so they can defend themselves” against the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad, but White House press secretary Jay Carney warned that would lead to more “chaos and carnage” and was “not the right course.”
Sept. 11, 2014:
HOUSE REPUBLICANS DRAFT PROPOSAL TO ARM SYRIAN REBELS

House Republicans plan to unveil legislation to provide the Obama administration a limited authority to arm and train the Free Syrian Army, in a proposal that will require that Congress is kept in the loop, according to reports.

According to Politico, which obtained a draft of the legislation, the proposal would grant the Obama administration the authority to arm and train the Syrian rebels. It further will require Defense Sec. Chuck Hagel update Congress 15 days before the armament begins and additional status reports every 90 days.

Politico’s report notes that the legislation is frank in its limitations, stressing that it does not provide any authority for the use of military force.
House Republicans Draft Proposal to Arm Syrian Rebels - Breitbart

Sept. 18, 2014
Congress Votes to Arm Syrian Rebels


The Senate voted late Thursday to approve a measure authorizing the Obama Administration to arm Syrian rebels in a vote that united many of the chamber’s liberals and conservatives.

The 78-22 vote followed on a 319-108 vote in favor of the measure Wednesday in the House of Representatives, sending the bill, which also funds the U.S. government through November, to President Barack Obama for signature. The vote clears the way for the U.S. to directly arm and train “moderate” rebels in the fight against both Syrian President Bashar Assad and the militant group Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS).
Congress Votes to Arm Syrian Rebels

Oct. 16, 2014
Poll: If We Arm Syrian Rebels Americans Say 78% Chance Weapons Will Be Used Against US Eventually

Americans are becoming increasingly skeptical that strategic US military interventions abroad won’t eventually backfire. The latest Reason-Rupe poll finds that 55 percent of Americans oppose arming Syrian rebels in efforts to fight against ISIS, while 35 percent support such action.

One reason Americans oppose sending weapons to the rebels may be that they believe there’s a 78 percent chance those weapons will eventually be turned around and used against American soldiers or US allies.

Public reluctance to arm Syrian rebels to fight ISIS may be indicative of a broader hesitancy to be as involved in the Middle Eastern region. Reason-Rupe finds only 28 percent of Americans want to increase US military presence around the world. Another 36 percent want to decrease American global military presence, and another third are content with the status quo.

Perhaps one reason Americans aren’t more supportive of expanding US involvement is disillusionment with US handling of the 2003 Iraq War. Only 14 percent believe the war actually reduced the threat of terrorism; another 38 percent think it instigated even more terrorism.
Poll: If We Arm Syrian Rebels Americans Say 78% Chance Weapons Will Be Used Against US Eventually - Reason-Rupe Surveys : Reason.com

Obama Derangement Syndrome is a serious, debilitating disease, affecting tens of millions....
Do you agree that there is nothing that Congress can do arm Syrian rebels all by itself?

That action can only be taken by the Commander in Chief. Since Congress holds the purse strings Obama must get support for expensive actions, but at the end of the day it is totally up Obama to make it happen.
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Do you agree that there is nothing that Congress can do arm Syrian rebels all by itself?

That action can only be taken by the Commander in Chief. Since Congress holds the purse strings Obama must get support for expensive actions, but at the end of the day it is totally up Obama to make it happen.
I think his point was that the Republicans were demanding that the President support the Syrian rebels. Now they blame him for doing so. That was the point TNVolunteer, I mean Libertine.
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I think his point was that the Republicans were demanding that the President support the Syrian rebels. Now they blame him for doing so....
Yep.
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I think his point was that the Republicans were demanding that the President support the Syrian rebels. Now they blame him for doing so. That was the point TNVolunteer, I mean Libertine.
Do you blame the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq on the majority of Congressional Democrats that called for and voted for it? Hillary and John Kerry were be Iraq War cheerleaders, do you blame them instead of GWB?

I blame GWB, he was CIC, and Congress had no power to order military forces into the region.
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Do you blame the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq on the majority of Congressional Democrats that called for and voted for it? Hillary and John Kerry were be Iraq War cheerleaders, do you blame them instead of GWB?

I blame GWB, he was CIC, and Congress had no power to order military forces into the region.
You still miss the point. Republicans kept talking about the "red line" and demanded that Obama do more. Now you complain that Obama did more. Totally nonsensical.
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