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Old September 6th, 2015, 05:44 AM   #1
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Putin's Failure of Syria diplomacy exposes enduring divisions over Assad

In all the blaming and what ifs, the fact that Assad brought on the Syrian Civil War through brutally cracking down in 2011 on mostly peaceful protests. Assad is the problem. But even Superman Putin is making zero progress in ending hostilities.

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While the desperate flight of Syrians from their country's war was dominating news bulletins this summer, yet another diplomatic push to end the four-year-old conflict was quietly running into the sand.

That largely unnoticed failure has reinforced the view amongst Syria experts that there is no solution in sight, with one of the biggest obstacles a seemingly unbridgeable international divide over President Bashar al-Assad's future.

As a consequence, Syria looks set for ever greater fragmentation into a patchwork of territories, one of them the diminishing Damascus-based state where Assad appears confident of survival with backing from his Russian and Iranian allies.

..."I don't see a tremendous amount of change out of the Iranians or Russians. There is some talk of them being tired, but their positions are pretty firm," said Andrew Tabler, a Middle East specialist with the Washington Institute.

"They think that Assad's immediate departure would lead to a collapse of the regime. Washington also sees a rapid collapse of the regime as something that would be a boon for ISIS. They are in a conundrum: if Assad goes right away, it would help ISIS, but if he doesn't go at all, you have no hope of putting the pieces of Syria back together again," he said.

"This recent outburst of diplomacy is because everyone was becoming concerned, and rightfully so. But the results of that process were remarkably poor. They seem to cement the earlier political positions of the region when it comes to Syria."
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In all the blaming and what ifs, the fact that Assad brought on the Syrian Civil War through brutally cracking down in 2011 on mostly peaceful protests. Assad is the problem. But even Superman Putin is making zero progress in ending hostilities.



Failure of Syria diplomacy exposes enduring divisions over Assad | Reuters
Obama's plan of giving arms to Syrian rebels, which helped arm ISIS has certainly made life worse for Syrians, and the entire region.
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Obama's plan of giving arms to Syrian rebels, which helped arm ISIS has certainly made life worse for Syrians, and the entire region.
McCain was in idiot. Trying to pick the good guys out of the bad guys in order to over throw Syria was a dumb idea. No one wants to look at the reality of ISIS. They just want to sit back and say Bush did it. I mention Tunisia and I am dismissed as a crack pot. Fine, whatever. Putin might fuck around put the Bear in there and start whooping ass. He might even garner all kinds of world support doing so. Over throwing the Syrian regime is insane. It is much worse than removing Saddam from Iraq. Its worse because we saw how that worked out. How is removing the current Syrian government going to be any better? What ISIS is our best hope?
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Obama's plan of giving arms to Syrian rebels, which helped arm ISIS has certainly made life worse for Syrians, and the entire region.
Bush's program of giving arms to the Iraqi army that dropped them and ran the first time they saw an angry Daesh campfollower and the Daesh came and collected them is where Daesh got most of their arms.

I strongly suggest we start calling them Daesh. ISIS is just silly and insults the region. The UK's use of IS is worse since so often in a headline it can be confused with the verb "is".

But primarily because I just read in a BBC story that they hate the name. So let's use it.
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Bush's program of giving arms to the Iraqi army that dropped them and ran the first time they saw an angry Daesh campfollower and the Daesh came and collected them is where Daesh got most of their arms.

I strongly suggest we start calling them Daesh. ISIS is just silly and insults the region. The UK's use of IS is worse since so often in a headline it can be confused with the verb "is".

But primarily because I just read in a BBC story that they hate the name. So let's use it.
If Daesh translates to dog dick lickers or something similar, I have no problem with it.
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Obama's plan of giving arms to Syrian rebels, which helped arm ISIS has certainly made life worse for Syrians, and the entire region.
Actually, that is not true at all which is probably of no significance to a chronic ODS sufferer.
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In all the blaming and what ifs, the fact that Assad brought on the Syrian Civil War through brutally cracking down in 2011 on mostly peaceful protests. Assad is the problem. But even Superman Putin is making zero progress in ending hostilities.



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What's ironic is if Vladimir uses force and kills the rebels, ISIS moves into the vacuum, and now he's fighting Sunni's at the same time his oil minister is talking with the Saudi's about production numbers. You can't make this shit up.
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What's ironic is if Vladimir uses force and kills the rebels, ISIS moves into the vacuum, and now he's fighting Sunni's at the same time his oil minister is talking with the Saudi's about production numbers. You can't make this shit up.
And the Chechens get (more) stroppy.
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Bush's program of giving arms to the Iraqi army that dropped them and ran the first time they saw an angry Daesh campfollower and the Daesh came and collected them is where Daesh got most of their arms.

I strongly suggest we start calling them Daesh. ISIS is just silly and insults the region. The UK's use of IS is worse since so often in a headline it can be confused with the verb "is".

But primarily because I just read in a BBC story that they hate the name. So let's use it.
Obama Authorizes Sending Weapons To Syrian Rebels

Obama Authorizes Sending Weapons To Syrian Rebels

ISIS Using Weapons Obama Gave To Syrian Rebels
Read more at ISIS Using Weapons Obama Gave To Syrian Rebels : PatriotUpdate.com #patriotupdate @patriotupdate

House approves US arms for Syrian rebels

House approves US arms for Syrian rebels | Al Jazeera America
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McCain was in idiot. Trying to pick the good guys out of the bad guys in order to over throw Syria was a dumb idea. No one wants to look at the reality of ISIS. They just want to sit back and say Bush did it. I mention Tunisia and I am dismissed as a crack pot. Fine, whatever. Putin might fuck around put the Bear in there and start whooping ass. He might even garner all kinds of world support doing so. Over throwing the Syrian regime is insane. It is much worse than removing Saddam from Iraq. Its worse because we saw how that worked out. How is removing the current Syrian government going to be any better? What ISIS is our best hope?
Since Libertine thanked coke's post, I'm addressing both of ya.

Feb. 2012:
Republicans voice support for arming Syria rebels
Huckabee: GOP would 'go further' on Iran than Obama

At Arizona debate of presidential hopefuls, Romney says support for anti-Assad forces is needed to turn Syria away from Iran.


MESA, Ariz. - US Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich on Wednesday lent their support to the idea of arming the Syrian opposition in its fight to topple President Bashar Assad.

..."If we can turn Syria and Lebanon away from Iran, we finally have the capacity to get Iran to pull back," Romney said. He added that the United States should make it clear that military action would be taken if Iran pursued nuclear weapons.

...Speaking at the debate, Gingrich said that US allies - which he did not name - were covertly helping destroy the Assad regime, and that there were weapons available in the region to arm the opposition.

"There are plenty of Arab-speaking groups that would be quite happy. There are lots of weapons available in the Middle East," he said, taking a swipe at the Obama administration's policy on Syria.

"This is an administration which, as long as you're America's enemy, you're safe. You know, the only people you've got to worry about is if you're an American ally."

...The United States and its allies hope that a conference in Tunis this week will allow them to begin drawing up a plan for Syria after Russia and China vetoed a Western-backed Arab League peace plan at the UN Security Council.
Republicans voice support for arming Syria rebels - Diplomacy & Politics - Jerusalem Post

May 2012:
Obama will not arm Syrian rebels; Romney sees a 'lack of leadership'

President Obama and Mitt Romney on Tuesday offered clashing views over whether to arm insurgents in Syria after a weekend massacre left more than 100 people dead and drew international condemnation.

Romney called for the United States and partner nations to “arm the opposition so they can defend themselves” against the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad, but White House press secretary Jay Carney warned that would lead to more “chaos and carnage” and was “not the right course.”
Sept. 11, 2014:
HOUSE REPUBLICANS DRAFT PROPOSAL TO ARM SYRIAN REBELS

House Republicans plan to unveil legislation to provide the Obama administration a limited authority to arm and train the Free Syrian Army, in a proposal that will require that Congress is kept in the loop, according to reports.

According to Politico, which obtained a draft of the legislation, the proposal would grant the Obama administration the authority to arm and train the Syrian rebels. It further will require Defense Sec. Chuck Hagel update Congress 15 days before the armament begins and additional status reports every 90 days.

Politico’s report notes that the legislation is frank in its limitations, stressing that it does not provide any authority for the use of military force.
House Republicans Draft Proposal to Arm Syrian Rebels - Breitbart

Sept. 18, 2014
Congress Votes to Arm Syrian Rebels


The Senate voted late Thursday to approve a measure authorizing the Obama Administration to arm Syrian rebels in a vote that united many of the chamber’s liberals and conservatives.

The 78-22 vote followed on a 319-108 vote in favor of the measure Wednesday in the House of Representatives, sending the bill, which also funds the U.S. government through November, to President Barack Obama for signature. The vote clears the way for the U.S. to directly arm and train “moderate” rebels in the fight against both Syrian President Bashar Assad and the militant group Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS).
Congress Votes to Arm Syrian Rebels

Oct. 16, 2014
Poll: If We Arm Syrian Rebels Americans Say 78% Chance Weapons Will Be Used Against US Eventually

Americans are becoming increasingly skeptical that strategic US military interventions abroad won’t eventually backfire. The latest Reason-Rupe poll finds that 55 percent of Americans oppose arming Syrian rebels in efforts to fight against ISIS, while 35 percent support such action.

One reason Americans oppose sending weapons to the rebels may be that they believe there’s a 78 percent chance those weapons will eventually be turned around and used against American soldiers or US allies.

Public reluctance to arm Syrian rebels to fight ISIS may be indicative of a broader hesitancy to be as involved in the Middle Eastern region. Reason-Rupe finds only 28 percent of Americans want to increase US military presence around the world. Another 36 percent want to decrease American global military presence, and another third are content with the status quo.

Perhaps one reason Americans aren’t more supportive of expanding US involvement is disillusionment with US handling of the 2003 Iraq War. Only 14 percent believe the war actually reduced the threat of terrorism; another 38 percent think it instigated even more terrorism.
Poll: If We Arm Syrian Rebels Americans Say 78% Chance Weapons Will Be Used Against US Eventually - Reason-Rupe Surveys : Reason.com

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