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Old February 11th, 2016, 06:26 AM   #1
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A new UN report "shatters the notion" that Assad is somehow "a lesser evil" than ISIS

It makes perfect sense that Assad the Butcher's best buddy is Putin.

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A new UN report 'shatters' one of the biggest myths about Syria and Assad

A UN report detailing the "massive and systematized" violence perpetrated by Syrian President Bashar Assad against his own people "shatters the notion that the regime is somehow a lesser evil" than ISIS.

That is according to Emile Hokayem, a senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, who said on Tuesday on Twitter that the report is "inconvenient" for those who argue that Assad should stay in power for the sake of creating stability and defeating ISIS and Al Qaeda.

The report concluded that widespread and systematic torture at the hands of the Assad regime which, according to a Syrian-government defector codenamed "Caesar," had killed over 10,000 people as of July 2014 amounts to "extermination as a crime against humanity."

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The accumulated custodial deaths were brought about by inflicting life conditions in a calculated awareness that such conditions would cause mass deaths of detainees in the ordinary course of events and occurred in the pursuance of a State policy to attack a civilian population.

Russia, a staunch Assad ally, has sought to depict the regime as a bulwark of peace and stability against the so-called terrorists, who threaten Assad's power.
More: UN report on Syria dispels Assad myth - Business Insider
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Old February 11th, 2016, 08:12 AM   #2
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Without this in any way attempting to lessen the evil that is Assad, the UN is wrong here. Assad limits his butchery to his own country. ISIS has designs on the world.
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the west doesnt have the answer to this mess. we should just get out.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 05:01 PM   #4
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Without this in any way attempting to lessen the evil that is Assad, the UN is wrong here. Assad limits his butchery to his own country. ISIS has designs on the world.
When has the UN ever been right? They are just a bunch of globalist swine if you ask me.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 05:02 PM   #5
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When has the UN ever been right? They are just a bunch of globalist swine if you ask me.
Pfft. Nobody asked you.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 09:44 PM   #6
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Pfft. Nobody asked you.
but we will ask you.

what do you think the USA should be doing in regards to ISIS?

what do you think the UN should be doing in regards to ISIS?
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Old February 12th, 2016, 04:44 AM   #7
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but we will ask you.

what do you think the USA should be doing in regards to ISIS?

what do you think the UN should be doing in regards to ISIS?
We? Who all are you speaking for now?

The US? We should be supporting those on the ground fighting. The Kurds, Iraqis, etc. If we are asked to do more, we can. That would be it for those idiots in DAESH. Otherwise, I don't think we should just ram our troops into the middle of this thing, what with so many different forces all fighting each other. That would also lead to a clash of interests with Russia, who is fighting for Assad, unless we decided to back that murderous tyrant.

The UN? Wrangle in those permanent Security Council members like Russia (especially) and France. Get the council on the same page, if possible, and see what can be done to better support the humanitarian crisis all over that region due to this horrific conflict. The UN can handle the emergency aid for refugees, MSF and other agencies can help as well, and the big guns on the security council can decide what (if anything) they will do militarily.

Russia, however, needs to be slapped around for using those goddamn cluster bombs. That is just disgusting. Assad should also pay the piper for the atrocities his regime have been committing against his own people. The UN can push those issues, and see what (if anything) can come of that as well. A little bit of justice would be nice. Won't fix the problem, but it would be nice.
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Pfft. Nobody asked you.
Have you ever considering traveling alone in Syria wearing short-shorts, no bra, and a tank top?
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Old February 12th, 2016, 08:43 PM   #9
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We? Who all are you speaking for now?

The US? We should be supporting those on the ground fighting. The Kurds, Iraqis, etc. If we are asked to do more, we can. That would be it for those idiots in DAESH. Otherwise, I don't think we should just ram our troops into the middle of this thing, what with so many different forces all fighting each other. That would also lead to a clash of interests with Russia, who is fighting for Assad, unless we decided to back that murderous tyrant.
whether you send in air force or ground force, you are definitively declaring your support for one side and against another side. so who are you against and who are you for? and do you consider those fighting your enemy to be your allies?

russia is a sovereign nation and can do whatever she likes. russia has been invited by the recognised rulers of syria to assist in fighting against a rebel uprising. assad is a murderous tyrant, but he is only one of several equally murderous tyrants who rule nations today, there is no logic in singling him out.

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The UN? Wrangle in those permanent Security Council members like Russia (especially) and France. Get the council on the same page, if possible, and see what can be done to better support the humanitarian crisis all over that region due to this horrific conflict. The UN can handle the emergency aid for refugees, MSF and other agencies can help as well, and the big guns on the security council can decide what (if anything) they will do militarily.
russia has a right of veto in the security council which they will use if the council disagrees with them. and they will probably argue that assad, who was a friend and ally of the west for many years, and is the actual head of government in syria, needs our help against an evil uprising and present a pretty logical case for the UN to support assad. the UN is a body who recently appointed saudi arabia as head of their human rights commission, so dont trust them to take humanitarian issues seriously.

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Russia, however, needs to be slapped around for using those goddamn cluster bombs. That is just disgusting. Assad should also pay the piper for the atrocities his regime have been committing against his own people. The UN can push those issues, and see what (if anything) can come of that as well. A little bit of justice would be nice. Won't fix the problem, but it would be nice.
agreed. but actually achieving justice isnt done by wishing it so. russia will never be taken to task about using cluster bombs, they will simply deny it and blame any evidence of their use on the rebels. likewise assad will probably end up either remaining in charge in syria, or dead, or living in luxurious exile in russia. unlikely he will ever see justice.
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We? Who all are you speaking for now?

The US? We should be supporting those on the ground fighting. The Kurds, Iraqis, etc. If we are asked to do more, we can. That would be it for those idiots in DAESH. Otherwise, I don't think we should just ram our troops into the middle of this thing, what with so many different forces all fighting each other. That would also lead to a clash of interests with Russia, who is fighting for Assad, unless we decided to back that murderous tyrant.

The UN? Wrangle in those permanent Security Council members like Russia (especially) and France. Get the council on the same page, if possible, and see what can be done to better support the humanitarian crisis all over that region due to this horrific conflict. The UN can handle the emergency aid for refugees, MSF and other agencies can help as well, and the big guns on the security council can decide what (if anything) they will do militarily.

Russia, however, needs to be slapped around for using those goddamn cluster bombs. That is just disgusting. Assad should also pay the piper for the atrocities his regime have been committing against his own people. The UN can push those issues, and see what (if anything) can come of that as well. A little bit of justice would be nice. Won't fix the problem, but it would be nice.
for the record, i am not picking on you or intending to be being critical, just trying to illustrate that there may be lots of nice things that we can imagine happening, we just dont have the actual capability to make them happen. this isnt a problem the west can solve.
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