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Old April 30th, 2016, 01:48 PM   #1
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Right now in the UK, there are a lot of people policing the boundaries of anti-Semitism. And there should be—but they have a tendency to stray out of their jurisdiction. As an ongoing crisis within the Labour party has shown, it can be hard to criticize Israel without being accused of anti-Semitism. Case in point: Ken Livingstone, who went on the BBC's Daily Politics show to defend his party members from accusations that they're anti-Semites, and in the process got himself suspended from the party. Watch the video—at no point does he ever actually voice a personal hatred towards Jewish people, but even if he had it's hard to see how he could have made things worse.

Ken should have known. The more he croaked on, the redder his big round face grew, until it started shining like an enormous Stop sign. But he didn't stop. As far as I know, he isn't an anti-Semite, but his comments were crude, thoughtless, and incredibly stupid. Basically, he was being a dick. If you want to criticize Israel without being accused of anti-Semitism, not being a dick isn't a guaranteed defence—even being Jewish yourself doesn't really guarantee anything—but if the accusation is false, it's a pretty good start. Here's how.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP TALKING ABOUT HITLER

I get it. The cruel historical ironies, that Israeli minister threatening Palestinians with a "Shoah," the fact that Israel retains the Nuremberg Laws in its definitions of Jewishness, the enormous prison camps for African migrants they've built in the desert, the sheer rhetorical heft, the fact that nothing makes your point quite like dropping a big fat-bottomed Hitler into the conversation. Just don't do it. What got Ken Livingstone in the worst trouble was his line that Hitler was actually working with Zionists to expel Jews from Europe until he "went mad and ended up killing six million Jews." This is pretty objectionable—is a policy of mass deportation now tolerable? Was the Holocaust really just all about one person's insanity? And while it's not entirely inaccurate (there was an agreement between Hitler and Zionist groups to facilitate Jewish emigration; at the same time the Lehi, a Jewish paramilitary group in 1940s Palestine, tried to form an anti-British alliance with Germany), it's not helping anyone.
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Nobody needs to ever mention Hitler to criticize Israel.

You can't be a big enough dick, however, when it comes to criticizing Zionists.
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I hate to appear dumb, but can you explain this to me like I'm a 10 year old??
Maybe I just don't get the whole Israel/Palestine thing, but it's never made sense to me. I don't like Bibi's influence on American politics. I don't like anti-semitic or any other kind of racial or religious slurs....but I just don't get this whole Israel/Palestine thing. Why are we so Israel-critic shy? Why is Israel so special?
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Nobody needs to ever mention Hitler to criticize Israel.

You can't be a big enough dick, however, when it comes to criticizing Zionists.
The best you can hope for is to keep the Zionists from dicking with you.

But then there's those 80 Senators...........
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I hate to appear dumb, but can you explain this to me like I'm a 10 year old??
Maybe I just don't get the whole Israel/Palestine thing, but it's never made sense to me. I don't like Bibi's influence on American politics. I don't like anti-semitic or any other kind of racial or religious slurs....but I just don't get this whole Israel/Palestine thing. Why are we so Israel-critic shy? Why is Israel so special?
I don't know how widespread this feeling is, but Mrs. RNG (the fundie) and her church brethren from three different congregations firmly believe that God promised that land to the Israelites. They further believe that modern Jews are the legitimate heirs of the Israelites so those lands are theirs because that is what God wants.
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I don't know how widespread this feeling is, but Mrs. RNG (the fundie) and her church brethren from three different congregations firmly believe that God promised that land to the Israelites. They further believe that modern Jews are the legitimate heirs of the Israelites so those lands are theirs because that is what God wants.

Got it. Sounds simple enough but......???? Are any of us in a position to know what God really wants?
Anyhoo...thanks for the reply.
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Oy vey, what are you goy, an antisemite? Remember the 6 gorillian!
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You mean: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Politically Incorrect

Judaism seems to be doing its best to encourage another holocaust with its insane support of political correctness which will inevitably produce a hostile backlash.
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I hate to appear dumb, but can you explain this to me like I'm a 10 year old??
Maybe I just don't get the whole Israel/Palestine thing, but it's never made sense to me. I don't like Bibi's influence on American politics. I don't like anti-semitic or any other kind of racial or religious slurs....but I just don't get this whole Israel/Palestine thing. Why are we so Israel-critic shy? Why is Israel so special?
Good luck getting an answer this side of an oven. . The most rabid anti-semites Ive ever come across are right here on this thread.

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Where Livingston went wrong was in claiming Hitler "supported" Zionism, he didn't. He merely supported any method he could which would remove Jews from German society as quickly as possible.
Hitler didn't later go mad, he was already mad.
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