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Old September 15th, 2007, 03:34 PM   #1
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Thousands Protest Iraq War Outside White House





WASHINGTON — Thousands of protesters marched Saturday from the White House to the Capitol to demand an end to the Iraq war.



U.S. Capitol Police arrested least seven people who jumped over a barricade near the base of the Capitol. Nearly 100 officers were standing guard, and the protesters were arrested without a struggle.



"What do we want? Troops out. When do we want it? Now," the demonstrators chanted.



The protesters gathered earlier Saturday near the White House in Lafayette Park with signs saying "End the war now" and calling for President Bush's impeachment. The rally was organized by the ANSWER Coalition and other groups.





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WASHINGTON — Thousands of protesters marched Saturday from the White House to the Capitol to demand an end to the Iraq war.



U.S. Capitol Police arrested least seven people who jumped over a barricade near the base of the Capitol. Nearly 100 officers were standing guard, and the protesters were arrested without a struggle.



"What do we want? Troops out. When do we want it? Now," the demonstrators chanted.



The protesters gathered earlier Saturday near the White House in Lafayette Park with signs saying "End the war now" and calling for President Bush's impeachment. The rally was organized by the ANSWER Coalition and other groups.





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Yeah, and I noticed that Cindy Sheehan was one of the key players. . .



What loon. . .
 
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WASHINGTON — Thousands of protesters marched Saturday from the White House to the Capitol to demand an end to the Iraq war.



U.S. Capitol Police arrested least seven people who jumped over a barricade near the base of the Capitol. Nearly 100 officers were standing guard, and the protesters were arrested without a struggle.



"What do we want? Troops out. When do we want it? Now," the demonstrators chanted.



The protesters gathered earlier Saturday near the White House in Lafayette Park with signs saying "End the war now" and calling for President Bush's impeachment. The rally was organized by the ANSWER Coalition and other groups.





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Yeah, and I noticed that Cindy Sheehan was one of the key players. . .



What a loon.



Something must be done about this woman. . .
 
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Marches like this have been taking place throughout the course of the war, and even before the war started. The one I attended in 2005 in Washington, when Cindy Sheehan's controversy was in full swing (this was following Bush's summer vacation), was about three times as large as this one.



It seems as if the media is only now covering these things as if it were a new phenomena. Thereby creating an illusion that strong opposition and protest to this war is something rather recent. Also creating an illusion that somehow this war and this president was protested less than Vietnam and LBJ. In actuality the opposite is true. The war in Iraq has had a level of protest at an unprecedented level (and worldwide marches protesting the war before it happened was also unprecedented).



The media in the 60's mostly reported the news. Now the media today reports what's popular.



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Yeah, and I noticed that Cindy Sheehan was one of the key players. . .



What a loon.



Something must be done about this woman. . .


And what might you suggest this "something" be?



Perhaps something along the lines of what our government did to 'unwanted' protesters and political organizers of the 60's? Arresting, deporting, spying, stalking, and assassinating?
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what might you suggest this "something" be?



Perhaps something along the lines of what our government did to 'unwanted' protesters and political organizers of the 60's? Arresting, deporting, spying, stalking, and assassinating?


First of all, it seems to me that those marchers want to "do something" about President Bush. . .



Secondly - Cindy Sheehan is a loon and a borderline traitor. I see no problem with prosecuting her to some extent - or at least locking her up and medicating her.



Thirdly - This is only my opinion. I'm not a political decision maker - so this opinion carries no weight.



Lastly - Protesting wars is a right we have as American citizens. However, do we have a right to spit on the country who gave us those rights and made all our freedoms possible? That is the only question I have for you at this point.
 
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“But war, in a good cause, is not the greatest evil which a nation can suffer. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice – a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice – is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”





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First of all, it seems to me that those marchers want to "do something" about President Bush. . .


Wanting to 'do something' about a leader (especially a criminal one) is much different than a political dissident.



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Secondly - Cindy Sheehan is a loon and a borderline traitor. I see no problem with prosecuting her to some extent - or at least locking her up and medicating her.



Thirdly - This is only my opinion. I'm not a political decision maker - so this opinion carries no weight.


Then, in this case, I too am a traitor.



But unfortunately for you, in the United States and the spirit of its founding, dissent is patriotic, not treasonous.



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Lastly - Protesting wars is a right we have as American citizens. However, do we have a right to spit on the country who gave us those rights and made all our freedoms possible? That is the only question I have for you at this point.


Well, yes we have a right to spit on it. Even the Phelps family has a right to express their opinions about how wonderful it is when our "fag" troops die.



The point of freedom of speech is to protect even the most unpopular of sentiments.



But this is irrelevant to Cindy Sheehan, seeing as her sentiments (anti Iraq War) are very much far from being the minority. Much of the resentment toward her is pretty much carried over from the times when our media was spinning lies around her (at a time when the war was more popular). I don't see at all how protesting an illegal and unjust war is at all spitting on our country. If anything, this administration and their mindless crony supporters are spitting on our country when they use our troops as expendables in their quest to fill up their huge SUV's and assure their place as the top imperial power. Not to mention when they think it's worth the blood of American soldiers to expand their buddy's profit margins. But hey, I like people and my country over the dollar bill...but that's just me.... you know, a traitor.
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First of all, it seems to me that those marchers want to "do something" about President Bush. . .



Secondly - Cindy Sheehan is a loon and a borderline traitor. I see no problem with prosecuting her to some extent - or at least locking her up and medicating her.






In that case, you will need to lock up the millions of us who agree with her.



Where do you propose that the federal government locate this political gulag?
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In that case, you will need to lock up the millions of us who agree with her.



Where do you propose that the federal government locate this political gulag?


Crazy,



We are not exactly talking about different opinions here.



It's about the Rule of Law, and people who are breaking it:



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In that case, you will need to lock up the millions of us who agree with her.



Where do you propose that the federal government locate this political gulag?


Crazy,



We are not exactly talking about different opinions here.



It's about the Rule of Law, and people who are breaking it:



TheHill.com - Cindy Sheehan arrested at Petraeus hearing
 
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Looks like someone hasn't heard of civil disobedience.



Not everyone who partakes in it are 'crazy' or are 'loonies', and people aren't loony merely because they partake in it.



When there's something seriously wrong with your government, civil obedience should be considered loony.
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Looks like someone hasn't heard of civil disobedience.



Not everyone who partakes in it are 'crazy' or are 'loonies', and people aren't loony merely because they partake in it.



When there's something seriously wrong with your government, civil obedience should be considered loony.


And what would you propose doing?



Making our govt. a socialist democracy?



Yep.



Sounds pretty sane to me. . .



We are not a democracy, but are a Republic.



Sorry.



I still think living in a Republic requires adhering to the Rule of Law - but that's just me. . . a "loony" patriot who loves his country more than anything else.
 
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We are not exactly talking about different opinions here.



It's about the Rule of Law, and people who are breaking it:



TheHill.com - Cindy Sheehan arrested at Petraeus hearing




I seem to have missed something here. Sheehan was arrested for the incident in your link above.



But your original post indicated that she should be arrested for participating in the march on Capital Hill. I see no indication that it was an illegal march.

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I seem to have missed something here. Sheehan was arrested for the incident in your link above.



But your original post indicated that she should be arrested for participating in the march on Capital Hill. I see no indication that it was an illegal march.


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Many of the protesters were arrested without a struggle after they jumped over the waist-high barricade. But some grew angry as police attempted to push them back using large shields. At least two people were showered with chemical spray. Protesters responded by throwing signs and chanting: "Shame on you."

The arrests came after protesters initially decided to lay down on the Capitol lawn with signs on top of their bodies to represent soldiers killed in Iraq. When police took no action, some of the protesters decided to start climbing over the barricade.


It seems to me that many of the protesters did in fact cross the line.
 
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It seems to me that many of the protesters did in fact cross the line.
And at least some of them were arrested for it.



But Sheehan was the one that you singled out in your original post. Did she cross the line in this particular incident?
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And at least some of them were arrested for it.



But Sheehan was the one that you singled out in your original post. Did she cross the line in this particular incident?


I think that Sheehan has been "crossing the line" for some time now. Furthermore, I think that it's only a matter of time before she faces serious federal charges. . .
 
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And what would you propose doing?



Making our govt. a socialist democracy?



Yep.



Sounds pretty sane to me. . .



We are not a democracy, but are a Republic.



Sorry.



I still think living in a Republic requires adhering to the Rule of Law -
I think that it is probably a good thing that Martin Luther King, Jr. didn't agree with you.



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but that's just me. . . a "loony" patriot who loves his country more than anything else.


Hmmmm. I would have thought that to imply that those who do not agree with you love our country any less was beneath you.



I guess I was wrong.
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Hmmmm. I would have thought that to imply that those who do not agree with you love our country any less was beneath you.



I guess I was wrong.


Again, Crazy, this is not about different opinions (or whose are better or worse).



What we are talking about is the Rule of Law (but we are going around in circles here).



My only question for you at this point is:



Why do you think Cindy Sheehan is right and I am wrong?



I eagerly await your answer. . .
 
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Again, Crazy, this is not about different opinions (or whose are better or worse).



What we are talking about is the Rule of Law (but we are going around in circles here).



My only question for you at this point is:



Why do you think Cindy Sheehan is right and I am wrong?



I eagerly await your answer. . .




Because I believe that the war in Iraq is a sham. It would take much too long to list all the reasons that back that belief. But I am sure that you are familiar with them already. I am sure that you do not accept those reasons as truth but believe that the "facts" according to the Bush administration are the truth. I believe they have lied to us from day one.



And I support Sheehan and the other protesters and would even if I disagreed with them. Because I believe that civil disobedience in the pursuit of justice has been part and parcel of the spirit of this country since the days when a group of phony Indians tossed a boatload of tea into Boston harbor.
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Because I believe that the war in Iraq is a sham. It would take much too long to list all the reasons that back that belief. But I am sure that you are familiar with them already. I am sure that you do not accept those reasons as truth but believe that the "facts" according to the Bush administration are the truth. I believe they have lied to us from day one.



And I support Sheehan and the other protesters and would even if I disagreed with them. Because I believe that civil disobedience in the pursuit of justice has been part and parcel of the spirit of this country since the days when a group of phony Indians tossed a boatload of tea into Boston harbor.


Allright. You have your opinion and I have mine. . .



Furthermore, as an American, you are entitled to your opinion.



I just hope that you and others like you will always remember where your rights end. . . as will I and others like me.



Good night.
 
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