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Old November 7th, 2017, 08:16 AM   #1
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Palestinian right of return

Joan Peters rightly recalls, that up to 1964 there was no Palestinian people. Palestinians called themselves simply Arabs, or stated, that they are Syrians. Some part decided, that they belong to Hashemite kingdom of Jordan. Some part (more precisely, the majority) believes today that they are part of the Islamic Ummah, which is obliged to destroy Israel and throw the Jews into the sea, as required by the tradition of Islam.

Today, the Palestinian majority votes for the Hamas Charter,which justifies the Muslims’ right to Palestine by the fact that in the 7th century the Caliph of Muslims issued a decree (letter) in which Iraq and Syria were declared eternal property of Muslims. True, in the same letter, the Caliph allowed Christians and Jews to remain on these lands under condition, that they would cultivate land and pay the tax to the Muslims. Palestine is not mentioned in this letter, so, the supporters of Hamas believe that Palestine is part of Syria. In the Qur’an, the name Palestine is not mentioned, too. So the whole Mankind recognized the existence of a separate Palestinian Arab people, contrary to the opinion of most Palestinians themselves. Such is another paradox of anti-Semitism.

Back in 1948 the UNRWA counted Arab (not just Palestinian) refugees. Some part of them were new immigrants from neighbor Arab countries, while most known immigrant was Iz ad Din al Kassam, the spiritual leader of HAMAS, who immigrated to Palestine from Syria and was murdered by Britons long before 1948. According to UNRWA, any Arab who spent last 2 years in Palestine, was entitled the privilege of UNRWA assistance. That is, the UN considered these refugees as Arabs, not specifically Palestinians.

Well, the UN don’t count Jewish refugees at all, up to this day. But according to international laws, Jews who were expelled from Arab countries are also Arab refugees, however not Muslims but Jews, and most of them fled to Israel. The UN has never registered Jewish refugees and has not provided any assistance to them. Non-recognition of the equality of Jewish and Palestinian refugees is a violation of the UN Charter by this very organization, an example of a racist, anti-Semitic approach to human rights. Such approach is prohibited by the international law.

1948: The Supreme Arab Committee, the Arab Salvation Army, the Army of Jihad. 1834: the Rebellion of Fellahs … 1921: The Palestinian Arab congress of 1921: «A cable was sent to the Paris Peace Conference, demanding a renunciation of the Balfour Declaration and the inclusion of Palestine as «an integral part of…the independent Arab Government of Syria within an Arab Union, free of any foreign influence or protection».[3]».

And where is here Palestine? The name of Palestine was given to this territory by the British colonialists. I saw with my own eyes the birth certificate of my work colleague, a Jew, who was born in 1947 in Palestine. In the column «nationality» he is registered «Palestinian».

It turns out, that all the Jews born in Israel are Palestinians, since they were born in the territory of the former Palestine. And if you consider that their ancestors were mostly refugees, then according to the UNRWA criteria, most of the Jews of Israel are Arab Palestinian refugees … Well, it’s a joke, but it underlines, how the UNRWA criteria are the joke. The whole difference is the approach. According to the UN, the Palestinians have rights, but the Jews, in similar situation, have no rights. It’s just the embodiment of racism.

So, in 1948 there was a war between Israel and Arab States (While British colonial empire participated this war on behalf of Arabs). And there was exchange of refugees just between Arab states and Israel. There was no one-sided Jewish aggression against Palestinians, There was Arab — Jewish and Muslim — Jewish conflict. The Palestinians considered themselves part of Arab nation, or simply Muslims. Both the Jews and the Palestinians turned victims of this conflict.

That conflict was extremely unbalanced, while Arabs exceeded the Jews from the point of view of political influence. For the Jews, the only way to survive, was military success.

If the Jews and Palestinian Arabs were the only participants of the 1948 war, then the Palestinians might have the right to demand «return» or compensation. In fact, the Palestinians involved Nazi Germany, the British Empire, and all the then independent Arab states, in their conflict with the Jews. After all these deeds, they fled in panic, submitting to the call of their leader, a Nazi criminal who escaped the trial in Nuremberg only thanks to cooperation with British and French colonial departments.

In addition, the Palestinians (Muslims) have created numerous militant units, which acted from their villages against Jewish units, and especially with the purpose to block the roads and supply for Jewish towns. There was no possibility to separate militants from their families and homes, see Deir Yassin story.

Amin al Husseini tried to implement such a division. With this purpose he ordered (March 194 the evacuation of civilians from the coastal strip, while only armed militants would remain in place (Source: Benny Morris, «The Birth of the Palestinian Refugees Problem»). Practically it turned out that the militants fled together with their families. This was the Nakba.

Finally, the Geneva Convention, which provides protection to the non-armed population, was signed not before, but after the war for the independence of Israel. Laws, as we know, do not have retroactive effect. Until 1949, the exchange of population was considered a legitimate means of resolving inter-ethnic and other conflicts, and there are numerous examples. In the very days when the war for the independence of Israel occurred, more than 100 million (!) Hindus and Muslims of India and Pakistan fled hundreds of kilometers from India to Pakistan and from Pakistan to India. Their descendants live now in their new countries and do not demand a «right to return» or compensation.

Now, 70 years after these events, the anti-Semitic «judges» replace the laws which were active in 1948, and call the Jews to the trial on the basis of the newly invented «facts» and laws. And the Palestinians are again «correcting» their history in order to give «necessary» evidence. It turned out that the Palestinians first of all consider themselves Muslims (Hamas) and Arabs (Fatah) when they are trying to destroy Israel, but they are turning into Palestinians persecuted by the Jews, when they are defeated and flee the battlefield.

Let’s put the point above the «i»: the BDS movement is a movement for the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jews. No, I’m not afraid of half-crazy young anti-Semitic students. After all, students can not impose sanctions, much less divestment of the money invested in Israel. The real problem is different. Behind the Students we can distinguish those who can perform indeed all students’ demands. BDS is a political technology. De-legitimization of Israel is intended to create a propaganda smoke screen for old Hitler’s idea. European sanctions also aim to weaken us and give the ayatollahs the opportunity to fulfill their threats. If the ayatollahs say they want to exterminate us, then we must believe this. Anti-Zionist brainwashing, dubbed «New Anti-Semitism», has been going on for many decades and has already yielded results.

And now about the other side of the coin. Each nation chooses its own national identity, this is its right. As Jews have the right to consider themselves Israelis, so Palestinian Arabs have the right to consider themselves Palestinians. So let’s admit that in 1964 the Palestinians changed their minds and decided finally that they are just Palestinians separate from other Arabs.

Let’s accept, that the Palestinian People was born, and it won’t disappear anymore. We Jews should recognize Palestine and do the utmost to prevent Palestinians from posing themselves the «victims», persecuted by the Jews. Let’s prevent them from getting money for their victimhood, and from giving anti-Semites pretext to persecute Israel and the Jews. Any peace solution must recognize the rights of Israel and the rights of Palestine. We Jews are most interested to recognize the already existing state of Palestine. Of course, as long as this state is waging a war of destruction against us, and cooperates with anti-Semites, we will occupy it legally.

Thus, the question is, what rights the Palestinians deserve. For example, «The right of return for Arab refugees». Not Palestinian, but Arab refugees, because in 1948 there were no Palestinians, and there were Arabs who fled. They became Palestinians later, in order to give anti-Semites pretext to annihilate Us. Simultaneously with Nakba, initiated by the Palestinian islamo-Hitlist fuerer, the Arab states expelled almost all Arab Jews, and these Jews took refuge in Israel. Between the Arab States and Israel there was an almost equal exchange of population. Therefore, Arab / Palestinian refugees do not have a legal «right of return» to Israel. If the Palestinians had the right to «return» in accordance with international laws, we would have been informed about this by numerous «Advocates of the Palestinian cause».

In fact, the Palestinian demand to instill in Israel 4,000,000 descendants of Arab refugees is intended to thwart peace efforts. As long as the Palestinians do not want peace with Israel, and try to destroy us with the help of external forces, they will continue to demand «the right to return.» If the Palestinians withdraw this demand, then the negotiations on peace will turn possible.

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Old November 8th, 2017, 04:36 AM   #2
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My dear friends and opponents, I've added some reasonings to this post, please, re-read it
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Four million is big sum. Have Israel this number of Arab in Jew country ?? Well Israel are US Ally with Warren.

Warren have promise Israel in middle East.
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its a shame the balfour declaration didnt just use the name israel. then there would never have been a palestine and there wouldnt be any palestinians.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 03:25 PM   #5
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Joan Peters rightly recalls, that up to 1964 there was no Palestinian people. Palestinians called themselves simply Arabs, or stated, that they are Syrians. Some part decided, that they belong to Hashemite kingdom of Jordan.

Back in 1948 the UNRWA counted Arab (not Palestinian) refugees. Some part of them were new immigrants from neighbor Arab countries, and most known example was Iz ad Din al Kassam, the spiritual leader of HAMAS, who immigrated to Palestine from Syria. According to UNRWA, any Arab who spent last 2 years in Palestine, was entitled the privilege of UNRWA assistance. That is, the UN considered these refugees as Arabs, not specifically Palestinians. Well, the UN don’t count Jewish refugees at all, up to this day.
High Arab Committee, Arab Salvation Army, the Army of Jihad, the Rebel of Fellahs… Where there is Palestine?
The Palestinian Arab congress of 1921: «A cable was sent to the Paris Peace Conference, demanding a renunciation of the Balfour Declaration and the inclusion of Palestine as «an integral part of…the independent Arab Government of Syria within an Arab Union, free of any foreign influence or protection».[3]».
So, in 1948 there was just population exchange between Arab states and Israel. There was no one-sided Jewish aggression against Palestinians, who considered themselves part of Arab nation, or simply Muslims. The conflict was extremely unbalanced, while Arabs exceeded the Jews from the point of view of political influence and military strength. In addition, the Palestinians (Muslims) have created numerous militant units, which acted from their villages against Jewish units, and especially with the purpose to block roads and supply for Jewish towns. There was no possibility to separate militants from their families and homes, see Deir Yassin story. Finally, the Geneva convention, which ensures protection to non-militants, was signed AFTER Israel’s Independence war.
Now, 70 years after these events happened, the «judges» are changing rules and laws and bring the Jews to the law court. And the Palestinians re-wright their history, with the purpose to give evidences.
Well, in 1964 Palestinians decided decisively, that they are just Palestinians. This way, the Palestinian People was born, and it won’t disappear. Any solution must recognize the rights of Israel and the rights of Palestine.

The question is, what rights. For example, «Right of return for Arab refugees». Not Palestinian, but just Arab refugees, since in 1948 these were not Palestinians, but Arabs who fled. Simultaneously, the Arab states have expelled almost all Arab Jews, and these Jews took refuge in Israel. There was almost equal population exchange between Arab states and Israel. Therefore Arab/Palestinian refugees have no legal «Right of return» to Israel. Palestinian demand to insert 4.000.000 descendants of Arab refugees into Israel is designed to thwart peace efforts.
Whatever you want to call them, they should be able to return to what is their homeland, because it is their homeland, it's where they were born, it's where their fathers were born, it's where their grandfathers were born.
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Whatever you want to call them, they should be able to return to what is their homeland, because it is their homeland, it's where they were born, it's where their fathers were born, it's where their grandfathers were born.
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Where should they go?
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Where should they go?
To the "promised land."
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Whatever you want to call them, they should be able to return to what is their homeland, because it is their homeland, it's where they were born, it's where their fathers were born, it's where their grandfathers were born.
Namely, the Arab Jews are supposed to return to their Arab homeland. But their current homeland is former Palestine, which is placed in the heart of Arab homeland. Well, let Arab League endow Arab Jews another part of Arab homeland, for example part of Libya. In addition, let European Union give to the expelled Jews Germany, Poland, Ukraine.
Let the USA settle Indians on Potomak river, Manhattan etc, while resettling current inhabitants to Europe and Africa. Let resettle Pakistanis to India and Hindu to Pakistan...
Under International law, there's NO legal right of return for the descendants of Arab refugees to Israel. Otherwise we had already heard of such right from numerous Palestine Cause advocates.
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The HAMAS' Charter doesn't mention ancestry. It substantiates Palestinian right to annihilate Israel on the "legal" basis of some letter, issued by Caliph shortly after conquer of Iraq and Syria by Muslim army. Caliph instructs Muslim conquerors, that Muslims turn legal owners of conquered lands, however, Christians and Jews may continue to exploit the fields under condition, that they obey to Muslims and pay taxes. The letter doesn't mention Palestine. That is, from HAMAS' point of view, Palestine is part of Syria.
When Palestinians vote for HAMAS', they vote for the point of view, mentioned above.

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To the "promised land."
Their "promised land" is Saudi Arabia which does not want them.

BTW, Mecca and Medina were also ancestral homes of Jews before Mohammad, and were exiled completely for the Arabian Peninsula during the time of Omar.

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