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Old January 5th, 2018, 12:34 PM   #21
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steal what land, How do you steal what was yours.
The fact of the matter is that there were ppl already living there when Israel was founded. To just ignore that is immoral.

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As I said to another person on this issue.

Your aggression against me is building a home in my neighborhood

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Me shooting Rockets at your family

Which is the problem? Building of Homes, or Shooting rockets at women and children in your family,
They're both the problem, and they are both aggression. I'd be pretty pissed if I owned a peace of land and someone just started building on it without my consent.
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The fact of the matter is that there were ppl already living there when Israel was founded. To just ignore that is immoral.



They're both the problem, and they are both aggression. I'd be pretty pissed if I owned a peace of land and someone just started building on it without my consent.
No they were not Palestinians and Jews were without a homeland.

The Ottomans Returned Israel to the Jews, they Gave Trans-Jordan to the Palestinians.


The lands that are marked with the brown coloring is the lands what were given to the Palestinians as a homeland.. Jerusalem was a city that was divided (similar to berlin post WW2) and had Jewish and Palestinian sections. Even today Israel recongnizes the east and west division lines in Jerusalem..

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Old January 5th, 2018, 12:49 PM   #23
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No they were not Palestinians and Jews were without a homeland.

The Ottomans Returned Israel to the Jews, they Gave Trans-Jordan to the Palestinians.


The lands that are marked with the brown coloring is the lands what were given to the Palestinians as a homeland.. Jerusalem was a city that was divided (similar to berlin post WW2) and had Jewish and Palestinian sections. Even today Israel recongnizes the east and west division lines in Jerusalem..

Nope. The Ottomans were defeated in WWI and Palestine was owned by the British as the Mandate of Palestine. There were still Arabs in Palestine during the British Mandate period. Jews were never a majority until 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandat...e#Demographics
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Old January 5th, 2018, 01:27 PM   #24
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Nope. The Ottomans were defeated in WWI and Palestine was owned by the British as the Mandate of Palestine. There were still Arabs in Palestine during the British Mandate period. Jews were never a majority until 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandat...e#Demographics
The fly in your ointment is that if the British owned it they were free to give to whom they choose.
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Well, this is obviously true.

On the other hand, Zionists do not want to give them power either. They want to continue to steal their land unchecked and without any opposition.

The only way this conflict will ever be resolved is when both sides settle their disagreements rationally and peacefully. There needs to be compromise and I've never seen that. Just coercion and hatred. Everybody involved in this conflict from a political standpoint is a complete idiot and not actually committed to peace.
Neither Hizbollah nor Hamas want any sort of compromise. THEY are holding the Palestinian people hostage to what Iran dictates them to.

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Old January 5th, 2018, 01:37 PM   #26
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The fly in your ointment is that if the British owned it they were free to give to whom they choose.
"Might makes right!"

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Neither Hizbollah nor Hamas want at sort of compromise. THEY are holing the Palestinian people hostage to what Iran dictates them to.
I'm not defending Hezbollah or Hamas. Nor am I defending any of the Arab and Muslim leaders.

Regardless, neither Hamas nor Hezbollah are the root cause of the issue. The root cause of this issue is what happened in 1948. If the Israelis want any hope of peace with the Palestinians, they need to rectify that.

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I'm not defending Hezbollah or Hamas. Nor am I defending any of the Arab and Muslim leaders.
I know you aren't I'm simply pointing out a truth. Last time I was there was in 2001, I sat at a table with Israeli's, Egyptians, Palestinians and Lebanese. It was one of the greatest, most enlightening times of my life. The two Israeli Soldiers were so empathetic and accommodating to the Palestinians it warmed my soul.
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I know you aren't I'm simply pointing out a truth. Last time I was there was in 2001, I sat at a table with Israeli's, Egyptians, Palestinians and Lebanese. It was one of the greatest, most enlightening times of my life. The two Israeli Soldiers were so empathetic and accommodating to the Palestinians it warmed my soul.
Ok? So you acknowledge the fact that Palestinians exist, but they don't have the right to self-determination?

You need to look at this issue from the Arab perspective as well and let go of your cultural/religious biases.
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Ok? So you acknowledge the fact that Palestinians exist, but they don't have the right to self-determination?

You need to look at this issue from the Arab perspective as well and let go of your cultural/religious biases.
Actually you are projecting. You've already admitted that the British owned the land, they gave to the Israeli's, case closed. They would have a peaceful home tomorrow if Iran called their proxies out of the region. You need to get over your cultural, anti-Semitic biases.
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Actually you are projecting. You've already admitted that the British owned the land, they gave to the Israeli's, case closed.
Again, you're basically saying that might makes right. That's nonsense.

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They would have a peaceful home tomorrow if Iran called their proxies out of the region.
They'd still be occupied if this happened. The root cause is the Israeli occupation.

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You need to get over your cultural, anti-Semitic biases.
Not supporting the Israeli apartheid and occupation doesn't mean I'm anti-semitic. It doesn't even mean I'm anti-Israel. I know that's what you Zionists always run to when you can't defend your arguments, but come on.
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