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Old January 5th, 2018, 03:03 PM   #31
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Nope. The Ottomans were defeated in WWI and Palestine was owned by the British as the Mandate of Palestine. There were still Arabs in Palestine during the British Mandate period. Jews were never a majority until 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandat...e#Demographics
Yes that was the part of the terms of SURRENDER is that they return Palestine to the Jews and CREATE a home for the Palestinians.

The Romans stole Israel, and the last Remnant of the Roman Empire Retuned the land to the Rightful people.
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Yes that was the part of the terms of SURRENDER is that they return Palestine to the Jews and CREATE a home for the Palestinians.
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The Romans stole Israel, and the last Remnant of the Roman Empire Retuned the land to the Rightful people.
The Romans hadn't existed for thousands of years at that point. Giving Palestine to the Jews wasn't a British decision. Which is why the Zionists launched an armed campaign against the British.
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The Romans hadn't existed for thousands of years at that point. Giving Palestine to the Jews wasn't a British decision. Which is why the Zionists launched an armed campaign against the British.
My point is, that not Romans, but Muslims (who expelled the Crusaders) performed final "cleansing" of Palestine from the remnants of the Jews and Christians. Nevertheless, both Christians and Jews tried to return to the Holy Land, but the Jews were not allowed. These Muslims were ancestors of modern Palestinians.

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My point is, that not Romans, but Muslims (who expelled the Crusaders) performed final "cleansing" of Palestine from the remnants of the Jews and Christians. Nevertheless, both Christians and Jews tried to return to the Holy Land, but the Jews were not allowed. These Muslims were ancestors of modern Palestinians.
Palestinians are a genetic clusterfuck of different peoples who have inhabited the region (including Jews, and there are both Christian and Jewish Palestinians who still inhabit the region). Israelis are mainly settlers from Europe who claimed the land on the basis of religion.
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Palestinians are a genetic clusterfuck of different peoples who have inhabited the region (including Jews, and there are both Christian and Jewish Palestinians who still inhabit the region). Israelis are mainly settlers from Europe who claimed the land on the basis of religion.


My understanding is that prior to 1948, Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc. used to live there together rather peacefully.
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My understanding is that prior to 1948, Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc. used to live there together rather peacefully.
Yep, for the most part afaik. Somehow denying an entire nation of people the right to self-determination will make Israel more secure as a nation.
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This argument doesn't really make sense when the Palestinians don't even have the ability or capacity to commit genocide against Jews.

If occupation is the only way to solve the "Palestinian problem", then why hasn't it solved it?
Their hope to annihilate Israel, the Palestinian always relay mainly on powerful external antisemitic assistance. First, these external anti-Zionists were Turkish Caliphs (Sultans) and Turkish officials, then British colonial empire, Hitler, one more time Britons, Arab nationalists, Nasser, USSR, Saddam Hussein, Iranian Ayatollahs, Western Left, Western mainstream, United Europe, one more time Jihadis, one more time Turkey etc etc.
The quarrel between FATAH and HAMAS over external assistance and external money is just who is better for the Palestinians. HAMAS relaid on the "circle of Islam". FATAH relaid first on Arab nationalists, then on the worldwide secular antisemites, that is, the UN majority, and currently on World corporations like Facebook, Google, automotive corporations, banks etc. Last HAMAS Charter reflects HAMAS' attempt to get assistance from worldwide secular antisemites, too.
Simultaneously, HAMAS is building its own military power in Gaza. Underground fortresses and tunnels enable HAMAS' military to rescue themselves from air strikes, rocket and artillery fire, to change quickly places of rocket launching and to attack IDF suddenly from underground. HAMAS' rocket arsenal is growing in numbers and in quality, they learn more advanced methods, but don't resign from using massive "population shield". That is continue turning the Gaza people victims of Israeli counter-strikes, which is the core of propaganda and basis of antisemitic assistance from abroad. Actually, entire World assists HAMAS military, which is strengthening its power and political influence.
Until World gives the assistance to the Palestinians, they are unready to reconciliation with Israel. Tramp's idea is to take from the Palestinians their hope for annihilation of Israel, even with antisemitic assistance from abroad.
The israeli occupation of the West Bank prevents Gaza scenario extended to whole Palestine. The more you help Palestine, the more Israel needs occupation of the West Bank. The alternative is genocide of the Jews. Strangely, the occupation turned means to achieve peace.

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