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Old January 5th, 2018, 05:31 AM   #11
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What happened with Israel is the People that took the land from them RETURNED the land (this would be called Restitution)

Romans took the land from the Jews
The Roman Empire later divided into 2 Regions The Eastern and Western Empire.
The Easter Roman Empire became the Byzintine Empire
Then changes in Religious majority in became the Ottoman Empire.
The Ottoman Empire Return Israel to the Jews. It gave Transjordan to the Palestinians,

This would be no different than a Thief returning property they stole to the owners.

What happened JORDAN AND SYRIA stole the Palestinian's land not the Jews.

now the Palestinians want to steal the Jews land because they could not hold their own from the Syrians and Jordanians.
Let us presuppose you are right in your assumptions (and I am merely taking your word for it.) If the American Indians made the same case against the rest of the people in this country, what would the difference be?
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The Jews have such a small area to live compared to the entire rest of the middle east. Muslims want them eradicated, plain and simple.
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Old January 5th, 2018, 06:52 AM   #13
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The Jews have such a small area to live compared to the entire rest of the middle east. Muslims want them eradicated, plain and simple.
I don't dispute that. By contrast, America was founded for the benefit of whites. If you look at the size of the world, America is not that large.

Yet it infuriates the entire world to even think of a homeland for whites. Jews want their own homeland; Japan has theirs - and it is 99.7 percent Japanese. China is 98 percent plus Han Chinese. North Korea is one of the most segregated places on this planet. In Zimbabwe, white people are only 1 percent of that country's population.

Whether by accident or design, there are a lot of countries that have a homeland for their people (whether they consider those people a culture, race, religion, etc.)

What I'm hoping to discover is some justification for Jews to occupy the land they claim. Both sides claim they are entitled to that land. The only thing of substance I understand from Palestinians is that they feel their land was stolen. If that is the case, what is the Jews reasoning for being entitled to that land? And if we back one side over another, would the precedent be valid in the United States?
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Old January 5th, 2018, 06:54 AM   #14
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JEWS DO HAVE LEGAL RIGHT TO THE HOLY LAND

The Holy Land was Land of Israel, then Palestine, then Israel one more time. Jews never gone from this country, despite of slaughter, persecutions and settling of Muslims and Christians. After Roman Empire, Crusaders, Mamluks and Turks made efforts to wipe the Jews out of Palestine. In the course of last 1.000 years they persecuted and slaughtered both local «Mustaarab» (Arabized) and Zionist Jews.

The Palestinians are mostly descendants of Arab, Muslim and Christian settlers from 16 to 20-th centuries, settled there by Turks and Egypt with the purpose to replace the Jews. Ashkenazi and Spanish Jewish settlers joined LOCAL «Mustaarab» Jews starting from 15 century CE, simultaneously or before Turks settled Palestine by their Muslim, Christian and Druze subjects.

In the course of last 1.000 years Jews remained in the country as a persecuted minority. In the course of 19-20 century , Ashkenazi Jews bought a part of this land paying high price.

Israel is our land, it remained our land in the course of all 2.000 years after Nakba by Roman Empire. Zionism lasts at least 1.000 years, long before modern Zionism even rose, and despite of murder of the Jews by Palestinians, local lords and conquerors of all sorts. The Palestinians performed massive pogroms of the Jews (1834) some 70 years before Russia did (1905). It means, inter alia, that the Jews were Palestine inhabitants BEFORE modern Zionism started. Our right to Palestine land is natural right of LOCAL people.

Thus, the Jews do have legal right to (at least part of) the Holy Land, for 3 reasons:
1.First, the Jews were and always remained part of local population, a sort of Middle East «Indians». That is, the Jews have the right to Palestine on the same legal basis, that Palestinians do, the natural right of LOCAL inhabitants.
2.Secondly, the (European) Jews have purchased a part of territory, paying in exchange full price, which exceeded European prices for 1:10.
3.In the course of 1948-49 war, Palestinians fled some parts of All Palestine land. In their place settled Jewish refugees from Arab lands and Europe. These refugees were deprived from a huge property in both Europe and Arab lands.
Now, Europe and Arab League have to compensate this lost Jewish property. Unless they don’t compensate Jews, they are due to compensate Palestinians for their lost lands. For example, to help Palestinians get settled at their present places, first of all in All Palestine (that is in Jordan, West Bank and Gaza). And to give Palestinians full human rights and citizenship in all other Arab states, which are responsible for both Palestinian and Jewish refugee problem.
As in every other country except those in America, there is no reason whatever to assume the native current population is not directly descended from the original inhabitants, whatever Nazi madmen claim about Khazars.

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As in every other country except those in America, there is no reason whatever to assume the nativecurrent population is not directly descended from the original inhabitants, whatever Nazi madmen claim about Khazars.
Arthur Koestler wants a word with you. Since when did Jews become "Nazi madmen?"
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Let us presuppose you are right in your assumptions (and I am merely taking your word for it.) If the American Indians made the same case against the rest of the people in this country, what would the difference be?
None..

Lets say the US Government gave north Dakota back to the Lakota Sioux, and South Dakota back to the Cheyenne people.

Then Canada attacks and Take North Dakota from the Sioux. Then the Sioux say the Cheyenne people have our homeland and we want every Cheyenne driven into the Snake River and drown, because they have our homeland. then the UN passes resolution supporting the Sioux's Claim over and over and over. Should the Cheyenne be forced to give up the land?


Well this is what happened in Transjordan, Jordan and Syria took the palenstinans' land. The UN is trying for force Israel to give up their lands to the Palestinians instead of Jordan and Syria returning the lands
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The Jews have such a small area to live compared to the entire rest of the middle east. Muslims want them eradicated, plain and simple.
Actually, Jews purchased and captured by force some 17% of All Palestine territory. Arabs, not Jews have offended Palestinians and stole their land. What the Jews possess belong to the Jews legally. The war between Jews and Palestinians is for islamist benefit, and harms both the Jews and Palestinians.
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As in every other country except those in America, there is no reason whatever to assume the nativecurrent population is not directly descended from the original inhabitants, whatever Nazi madmen claim about Khazars.
That is a false statement. Britain for instance. Iceland.
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None..

Lets say the US Government gave north Dakota back to the Lakota Sioux, and South Dakota back to the Cheyenne people.

Then Canada attacks and Take North Dakota from the Sioux. Then the Sioux say the Cheyenne people have our homeland and we want every Cheyenne driven into the Snake River and drown, because they have our homeland. then the UN passes resolution supporting the Sioux's Claim over and over and over. Should the Cheyenne be forced to give up the land?


Well this is what happened in Transjordan, Jordan and Syria took the palenstinans' land. The UN is trying for force Israel to give up their lands to the Palestinians instead of Jordan and Syria returning the lands
I don't follow the fight, but don't the Palestinians make the same counter-argument?
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I don't follow the fight, but don't the Palestinians make the same counter-argument?
Jews ARE PALESTINIANS.. you see Palestine was NEVER a country,, it was a ROMAN PROVENCE.. which Included Israel. So no they cannot make the counter argument
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