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Old January 4th, 2018, 07:57 AM   #1
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Jews do have right to the holy land

JEWS DO HAVE LEGAL RIGHT TO THE HOLY LAND

The Holy Land was Land of Israel, then Palestine, then Israel one more time. Jews never gone from this country, despite of slaughter, persecutions and settling of Muslims and Christians. Crusaders, Mamluks and Turks made efforts to wipe the Jews out of Palestine. In the course of last 1.000 years they persecuted and slaughtered both local "Mustaarab" (Arabized) and Zionist Jews.

The Palestinians are mostly descendants of Arab, Muslim and Christian settlers from 16 to 20-th centuries, settled there by Turks and Egypt with the purpose to replace the Jews. Ashkenazi and Spanish Jewish settlers joined LOCAL «Mustaarab» Jews starting from 15 century CE,*simultaneously or*before Turks settled Palestine by their Muslim, Christian and Druze subjects.*

Local ("Arabized") Jews joined urban communities of Sephardic Jews because of the Turks and Palestinians forced Jewish peasants to give up their land to Muslim neighbors and to leave their villages under the threat of murder or famine. Palestinians staged mass pogroms of Jews in 1834, 70 years earlier than Russia (1905) began to smash their Jews. As the result the Jews from Safed and from villages of Galilee fled to Haifa and Jerusalem, where security was provided by the consuls of the European powers. From Gaza, where Jews lived from ancient times, they (we) were driven out twenty years earlier (about 1820). The "Khaluka", that is, the help of the Jews of diaspora, saved Jewish "internal" refugees from the starvation.

By the way, all the foregoing means that the Jews were permanent residents of Palestine long before Theodore Herzl declared his Jewish state in Uganda. In the course of last 1.000 years Jews remained in the country as a persecuted minority. Then, in the course of 19-20 century, Ashkenazi Jews bought a part of this land paying high price.

Israel is our land, it remained our land in the course of all 2.000 years after Nakba by Roman Empire. Zionism lasts at least 1.000 years, long before modern Zionism even rose, and despite of robbery and murder of the Jews by Palestinians, local lords and conquerors of all sorts. The Jews were Palestine inhabitants long BEFORE modern Zionism started. Our right to Palestine land is natural right of LOCAL people.

Thus, the Jews do have legal right to (at least part of) the Holy Land, for 3 reasons:
1.First, the Jews were and always remained part of local population, a sort of Middle East "Indians". That is, the Jews have the right to Palestine on the same legal basis, that Palestinians do, the natural right of LOCAL inhabitants.
2.Secondly, the (European) Jews have purchased a part of territory, paying in exchange full price, which exceeded European prices for 1:10.
3.In the course of 1948-49 war, Palestinians fled some parts of All Palestine land. In their place settled Jewish refugees from Arab lands and Europe. These refugees were deprived from a huge property in both Europe and Arab lands.
Now, Europe and Arab League have to compensate this lost Jewish property. Unless they don't compensate Jews, they are due to compensate Palestinians for their lost lands. For example, to help Palestinians get settled at their present places, first of all in All Palestine (that is in Jordan, West Bank and Gaza). And to give Palestinians full human rights and citizenship in all other Arab states, which are responsible for both Palestinian and Jewish refuge problem.

Actually, Jews purchased and captured by force some 17% of All Palestine territory. Arabs, not Jews have offended Palestinians and stole their land. The land that the Jews possess belongs to them legally. The war between Jews and Palestinians is for islamist benefit, it harms both the Jews and Palestinians.

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Yes, Israel has not burned, destroyed or blocked access to Christian and Muslim Holy Sites.

Muslims on the other hand Burn Christian Churches, synagogues and executed worshipers
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JEWS DO HAVE RIGHT TO THE HOLY LAND

The country was Israel, then Palestine, then Israel one more time. Jews never gone from this country, despite of slaughter, persecutions and settling of Muslims and Christians. Crusaders, Mamluks and Turks tried to wipe the Jews out. In the course of last 1.000 years they persecuted and slaughtered both local and Zionist Jews. The Palestinians are descendants of Arab, Muslim and Christian settlers from 15 to 20-th centuries, settled there by Turks with the purpose to replace the Jews. In the course of last 1.000 years Jews remained in the country as a persecuted minority. Ashkenazi and Spanish Jewish settlers joined local «Mustaarab» (Arabized) Jews starting from 15 century CE, before Turks settled Palestine by their Muslim, Christian and Druze subjects. Finally, Ashkenazis bought a part of this land paying high price. Israel is our land, it remained our land in the course of last 2.000 years, even after Nakba by Roman Empire. Zionism lasts at least 1.000 years, despite of murder of the Jews by Palestinians, their lords and conquerors of all sorts.
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The Palestinians performed pogroms of the Jews some 70 years before Russia did.
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The Palestinians performed pogroms of the Jews some 70 years before Russia did.
So, you're claiming a "biblical" right to the country?
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So, you're claiming a "biblical" right to the country?
I claim just medieval and New Age right of the Jews to (at least part of) All-Palestine territory.
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I claim just medieval and New Age right of the Jews to (at least part of) All-Palestine territory.
You're going to have to explain that one to me. What, exactly, gives you any right to the property?
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You're going to have to explain that one to me. What, exactly, gives you any right to the property?
What happened with Israel is the People that took the land from them RETURNED the land (this would be called Restitution)

Romans took the land from the Jews
The Roman Empire later divided into 2 Regions The Eastern and Western Empire.
The Easter Roman Empire became the Byzintine Empire
Then changes in Religious majority in became the Ottoman Empire.
The Ottoman Empire Return Israel to the Jews. It gave Transjordan to the Palestinians,

This would be no different than a Thief returning property they stole to the owners.

What happened JORDAN AND SYRIA stole the Palestinian's land not the Jews.

now the Palestinians want to steal the Jews land because they could not hold their own from the Syrians and Jordanians.
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You're going to have to explain that one to me. What, exactly, gives you any right to the property?
1.First, the Jews were and alwais remained at least part of local population. That is, Jews have the same right that Palestinians have.
2.Jews purchased part of territory, paying in exchange full price.
3.In the course of 1948-49 war, Palestinians fled some parts their land. In their place settled Jewish refugees from Arab lands and Europe. These refugees have left huge property in both Europe and Arab lands. Now, Europe and Arab League have to compensate lost Jewish property. Unless they don't compensate Jews, they are due to compensate Palestinians. For example, help Palestinians to get settled at their present places, first of all Jordan, West Bank, Gaza, many Arab lands etc.
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Yes, Israel has not burned, destroyed or blocked access to Christian and Muslim Holy Sites.

Muslims on the other hand Burn Christian Churches, synagogues and executed worshipers
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Two things to poke the anti-semites with on this site:

1> How did the Palestinians manage to shove two multi-millennia old Jewish temples under their Muslim hold sites?

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2> If the hew and cry from Palestinians is to have Israel go back to the 1967 borders...what was wrong with the 1966 borders?

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