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Old February 2nd, 2018, 10:13 AM   #11
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All over the Middle East, members of other religions converted to Islam to avoid taxes. It seems to me extremely likely that the Palestinians are descended from the Old Testament Jews and earlier peoples, just as the Zionists are very likely Khazars. The Zionists, obviously, have no rightwhatever to set up their Reichlette in Palestine.
From what I've read of Middle East history(not a great deal), the Jizya taxes(applied to non-Muslim unbelievers) were not uniform or collected with regularity. Especially in the later stages of the Ottoman Empire...when it was creaking along dealing with Arab uprisings, the Turkish administrators frequently found that Christians, Jews, Druze and ethnic minorities like Kurds, were better candidates for civil service and administrative jobs in the provinces and territories of the Empire. And some time between 1840 to 1860 (I forget the date) they abolished the Jizya taxes altogether. Some Muslim writers point out that during all the stages of the caliphates, the advantage for non-Muslims to just pay the tax and be quiet, was that they were exempt from military service, while Muslim men were not.
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Both Gaza and the West Bank are both occupied by Israel, this is known by pretty much the entire world. They aren't states by any stretch of the imagination. If they were states, the Israelis would respect their sovereignty and not build settlements and walls around them.
Both West Bank and Gaza are independent states. There's no one IDF soldier in Gaza, while Jewish population of Gaza was forcibly ousted from their homes, at the request of Palestinians.

There's no one Jewish settlement on the West Bank Palestine territory. All Jewish towns and villages are placed in the territory of Judea and Samaria (the so called "C" zone) which remains under Israel sovereignty in full accordance with the international law, on the basis of Oslo agreements. Palestinian violation of Oslo agreements cannot abolish the validity of these agreements and of international law. The "C" territory (Judea and Samaria) is Israel, until new agreement will replace Oslo agreements.

The "Apartheid Wall" is built within the "C" territory, so it doesn't violate Palestine sovereignty. Anyway, Protection wall destination is to protect Israel's population from Palestine aggression, so we do have right to build it in the sovereign Palestine territory, too.

Israeli occupation of the West Bank Palestine, forced by Palestine aggression, is legal and inevitable measure of self-protection against Palestine aggression. Did Palestinians stop their aggression and agree to the peace, the occupation may stop. Until now, the Palestinians did all to prevent the peace. They believe, that Israel will be annihilated at the hands of antisemites, be it Iran or Europe.

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Old February 3rd, 2018, 10:04 AM   #13
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Enough of the bullshit! In a recent episode of the Empire Files, Abby Martin( on TeleSUR now) shows why any real journalist has to work for foreign media sources if they want the resources necessary to travel and file reports from around the world. With the bullshit about "anti-zionism" in occupied Palestine, here's a collage of opinion of average Israelis in Jerusalem:
https://youtu.be/1e_dbsVQrk4
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Both West Bank and Gaza are independent Palestinian states.

There’s no one IDF soldier in Gaza, while Jewish population of Gaza was forcibly ousted from their homes, at the request of Palestinians.

There’s no one Jewish settlement on the West Bank Palestine territory. All Jewish towns and villages are placed in the territory of Judea and Samaria (the so called «C» zone) which remains under Israel sovereignty on the basis of Oslo agreements, in full accordance with the international law. Palestinian violation of Oslo agreements cannot abolish the validity of these agreements and of international law. The «C» territory (Judea and Samaria) is Israel, until new agreement will replace Oslo agreements.

The «Apartheid Wall» is built within the «C» territory, so it doesn’t violate Palestine sovereignty. Anyway, Protection wall destination is to protect Israel’s population from Palestine aggression, so we do have right to built it in the sovereign Palestine territory, too.

Israeli occupation of the West Bank Palestine, forced by Palestine aggression, is legal and inevitable measure of self-protection against Palestine aggression. Did Palestinians stop their aggression and agree to the peace, the occupation may stop. Until now, the Palestinians did all to prevent the peace. They believe, that Israel will be annihilated at the hands of antisemites, be it Iran or Europe.

As Me already mentioned, Jewish right to the Holy Land is uninterrupted, not «distant». Jews always remained part of local population, even if minority. In addition, Jewish immigration from abroad lasts at least 1.000 years. The Zionists settled here yet before the ancestors of the Palestinians conquered Palestine. Ashkenazis started immigration to Palestine in 16 century, while last influx of Arab immigrants to Palestine started in 18 century and stopped in 1948.
All antisemitic slogans contradict history.

After all, I don’t deny Palestinians’ rights. My claim is, that Jews do have right to sit peacefully in Palestine and to have independent state, too.
Practically, the partition of Palestine is already performed. The conditions of acceptable compromise were discussed and well known. The dispute over small differences is quite resolvable, only Palestinian stubborn ambition to wipe Jews out stops any compromise.

BDS is not about compromise, since about genocide of the Jews. European sanctions are not about compromise, these are about annihilation of Israel. Antisemites don’t speak legal, fair solution, they speak punishment of Israel.

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Enough of the bullshit! In a recent episode of the Empire Files, Abby Martin( on TeleSUR now) shows why any real journalist has to work for foreign media sources if they want the resources necessary to travel and file reports from around the world. With the bullshit about "anti-zionism" in occupied Palestine, here's a collage of opinion of average Israelis in Jerusalem:
https://youtu.be/1e_dbsVQrk4
Anti-Zionism did exist in Palestine several hundreds of years. This fact describe medieval travelers, especially Jewish travelers. There are well known historical fact, like Shabtay Zvi story, expulsion of Ashkenazis from Jerusalem (1800), Fallahs' Rebel, Tzfat pogrom (1834), described by witness, etc. Modern propaganda cannot re-wright history.
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