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Old February 5th, 2018, 03:39 AM   #1
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Holocaust denial is hate speech

From 1945 on, the Holocaust statistics are based on the national demography statistics of all countries, once occupied by the Nazis. Simply, we take prewar statistics and subtract postwar statistics. From that, we subtract the numbers of refugees, who fled to the third countries. The result is 6.000.000, which is «sacred».
I believe this 6.000.000 is not 100% accurate, because of few unaccounted factors. For example, the prewar statistics consider as «non-Jews» quit significant part of the Jews, who had changed their ethnicity record because of fear of persecution or murder.
Antisemitic persecutions and pogroms were not just Hitler’s invention. Some 25 years before Hitler’s Holocaust, there happened less known WWI Holocaust, when about 1.500.000 Jews were murdered. One of these victims was my Grandfather, who was murdered by Russian soldier when he walked with My mother in the street. Jews did have reasons to hide their ethnicity.
Nazis have included these crypto-Jews in their statistics, prepared by Dieter Wisliceny before the Holocaust was launched. The sign «Judenfrei» was placed after the number of victims was close to Wisliceny numbers. That is, the crypto-Jews were murdered along with «open» Jews. That is, the real number of the victims of the Holocaust is bigger, than 6.000.000.
The number of Crypto-Jews is estimated as 10% of Jews populations, it varies in accordance with the degree of prewar antisemitism by country. Me personally was familiar with some Crypto-Jews, one of them was my High school mate, another was my work colleague etc.
In another hand, some Crypto-Jews survived Holocaust and keep their Crypto-Jewish status, one of these was My Mother’s friend.
Thus, how justified is ban on the Holocaust denial? According to My personal experience, the Holocaust denial is one of main expressions of the antisemitism, let’s look at Iran Holocaust denial. The ban is justified especially in the countries, where main population took part in the Holocaust, that is in most countries of Europe.
The USA people are less informed about Holocaust, and may have questions. However, ignorance cannot justify immorality. Most of people, denying the Holocaust, do it out of antisemitic emotions, or as the result of antisemitic brainwashing. Holocaust denial is actually antisemitic hate speech, and like any other antisemitic hate speech, Holocaust denial must be punished. I believe, the USA lawmakers have to re-consider their approach to the Holocaust denial.
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From 1945 on, the Holocaust statistics are based on the national demography statistics of all countries, once occupied by the Nazis. Simply, we take prewar statistics and subtract postwar statistics. From that, we subtract the numbers of refugees, who fled to the third countries. The result is 6.000.000, which is «sacred».
I believe this 6.000.000 is not 100% accurate, because of few unaccounted factors. For example, the prewar statistics consider as «non-Jews» quit significant part of the Jews, who had changed their ethnicity record because of fear of persecution or murder.
Antisemitic persecutions and pogroms were not just Hitler’s invention. Some 25 years before Hitler’s Holocaust, there happened less known WWI Holocaust, when about 1.500.000 Jews were murdered. One of these victims was my Grandfather, who was murdered by Russian soldier when he walked with My mother in the street. Jews did have reasons to hide their ethnicity.
Nazis have included these crypto-Jews in their statistics, prepared by Dieter Wisliceny before the Holocaust was launched. The sign «Judenfrei» was placed after the number of victims was close to Wisliceny numbers. That is, the crypto-Jews were murdered along with «open» Jews. That is, the real number of the victims of the Holocaust is bigger, than 6.000.000.
The number of Crypto-Jews is estimated as 10% of Jews populations, it varies in accordance with the degree of prewar antisemitism by country. Me personally was familiar with some Crypto-Jews, one of them was my High school mate, another was my work colleague etc.
In another hand, some Crypto-Jews survived Holocaust and keep their Crypto-Jewish status, one of these was My Mother’s friend.
Thus, how justified is ban on the Holocaust denial? According to My personal experience, the Holocaust denial is one of main expressions of the antisemitism, let’s look at Iran Holocaust denial. The ban is justified especially in the countries, where main population took part in the Holocaust, that is in most countries of Europe.
The USA people are less informed about Holocaust, and may have questions. However, ignorance cannot justify immorality. Most of people, denying the Holocaust, do it out of antisemitic emotions, or as the result of antisemitic brainwashing. Holocaust denial is actually antisemitic hate speech, and like any other antisemitic hate speech, Holocaust denial must be punished. I believe, the USA lawmakers have to re-consider their approach to the Holocaust denial.
HOLOCAUST DENIAL ? ?????, ???? ? ?????????????
Interesting shift from discussion of real events to Zionist propaganda. What is called 'Holocaust Denial' is a matter for Europeans who can claim to know something about the matter, whereas what is said elsewhere is just trumpite bullshit, or reaction to it. In my view the best way you deal with the denial of historical fact is to show it up with historical fact. Banning discussion is a guarantee of lies, which is why the Zionists so love the idea.
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an actual Nazi and Holocaust denier is going to probably be elected to Congress in Illinois.

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an actual Nazi and Holocaust denier is going to probably be elected to Congress in Illinois.

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Old February 5th, 2018, 09:10 AM   #5
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Interesting shift from discussion of real events to Zionist propaganda. What is called 'Holocaust Denial' is a matter for Europeans who can claim to know something about the matter, whereas what is said elsewhere is just trumpite bullshit, or reaction to it. In my view the best way you deal with the denial of historical fact is to show it up with historical fact. Banning discussion is a guarantee of lies, which is why the Zionists so love the idea.
Just I gave statistics and facts, confirming Holocaust, or rather two last Holocausts from many, which were performed against the Jews in Europe and Middle East in the course of last 2.000 years. Holocaust denial isn't searching for facts, but just denial of firm facts. This denial insults all Jews, but especially relatives of Holocaust victims.
The USA lawmakers forbade insults against black people, quite reasonably, without fear of exaggeration. So, why do Jewish people are not protected from most mean, obvious humiliation by Holocaust denial? This is the essence of my message, and this is the caption of the thread. So why do You Iolo not answer my question? Instead, You sow antisemitic garbage under disguise of Palestine protection. You do confirm my assertion, that BDS and other "protectors" of Palestine are actually old-style antisemites in new mask.

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an actual Nazi and Holocaust denier is going to probably be elected to Congress in Illinois.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000003
Well, what did you expect? I told you fools.
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Well, what did you expect? I told you fools.
There has been a history of Illinois neo nazis. For starters he wont win. A republican will not win that district at all. Its a welfare district.
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Interesting shift from discussion of real events to Zionist propaganda. What is called 'Holocaust Denial' is a matter for Europeans who can claim to know something about the matter, whereas what is said elsewhere is just trumpite bullshit, or reaction to it. In my view the best way you deal with the denial of historical fact is to show it up with historical fact. Banning discussion is a guarantee of lies, which is why the Zionists so love the idea.
Using the label "Zionist" instead of name "Jew" is common antisemitic trick to avoid accusation of antisemitism.
My point is, however, that antisemitism=anti-Zionism.
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Using the label "Zionist" instead of name "Jew" is common antisemitic trick to avoid accusation of antisemitism.
My point is, however, that antisemitism=anti-Zionism.
Who let the Jews back to the Holy Land, Nazi - which of the racist thugs and terrorists do you have in mind for the Messiah. Zionists are disciples of Hitler who detest traditional Jewry, as you know, and want to set up their own smelly little racist reich, with, doubtless, its own death-camps. Zionists are not Jews but Hitler-imitators.
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Holocaust denial is actually antisemitic hate speech, and like any other antisemitic hate speech, Holocaust denial must be punished. I believe, the USA lawmakers have to re-consider their approach to the Holocaust denial.
HOLOCAUST DENIAL IS INSULT ? ?????, ???? ? ?????????????
Why is antisemitic hate speech special? No other form of hate speech is outlawed primarily because the US Constitution prohibits such action.

So, why is antisemitic hate speech a special case?
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