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Old July 10th, 2018, 06:45 AM   #161
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Ploughboy, Why do you accept the Torah or Christian Bible as truth? It is just as reasonable to believe the Aztecs were given the land that is now Mexico because they have an equal story of a god leading them to the promised land.
I would advise you to take cover; you are going to get a lot of 'incoming'!!!

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Old July 10th, 2018, 07:00 AM   #162
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I would advise you to take cover; you are going to get a lot of 'incoming'!!!

I am old enough to know we once thought virtues and strength were synonymous. I am as much of a moralist as Socrates was and I believe we can make the world a better place by coming to know and understand truth. What do I have to fear?

I should add to this, I have personally known Palestinians. One woman wanted so much to return to Jerusalem. Her family fled after her brother was taken by the Israelis and then he was put in plane and pushed out the door of the plane when the plane fly over the land they owned. Years ago, in a forum, I attempted to give the Palestinians a stronger voice against the ignorance of Evangelical Christians who know nothing but what their religion claims is true. I am strongly motivated to end the ignorance.

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Old July 10th, 2018, 07:07 AM   #163
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I am old enough to know we once thought virtues and strength were synonymous. I am as much of a moralist as Socrates was and I believe we can make the world a better place by coming to know and understand truth. What do I have to fear?
Bless you - but grab your helmet
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Old July 10th, 2018, 02:35 PM   #164
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No, I will blame it on the Zionist who refused to stay with the agreements the British established when they made it possible for the Jews to migrate to Palestinian. And I will blame it on the Zionist who refuse to follow the United Nation's mandates. The problem is created by the Zionist and the US has contributed to this for its own strategic reasons.
I see we have yet another Jew hating Democrat. I could go on about the history of WWII and Israeli immigration back to their homeland but people like you are not interested in truth. You follow conspiracy theory so you have closed your ears to truth.

There never was a Palestinian state. There is no such thing as a Palestinian people. They are Jordanians from the country of Jordan. They still have a country to return to.

I've asked this question many times and never got an answer to it. If the Jews were to be expelled from their own nation, where are they to go? Where can they go where they won't be bothered by people who don't want to kill them? They can't go to Europe because they are wanted there nor are their rights protected. In fact, most Jews are leaving Europe for Israel due to the muslim violence against Jews in Europe. So Europe is completely out of the question. So where are they to go? If you want them to leave their tiny country then surely you have a settlement for them besides the ocean?
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More lies from the "christian".

This guy is the PERFECT model of phony christian. He lies, he smears, then when called out on his lies he just keeps repeating them.

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Old July 10th, 2018, 04:43 PM   #166
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More lies from the "christian".

This guy is the PERFECT model of phony christian. He lies, he smears, then when called out on his lies he just keeps repeating them.
That's complete BS! I busted you in many lies so don't try and turn this around on me. All you have is your vague words which have been weightless in all our discussions. Why don't you try debating with facts sometime.
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More lies from the "christian".

This guy is the PERFECT model of phony christian. He lies, he smears, then when called out on his lies he just keeps repeating them.
Sounds like a model Trumpet.
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Sounds like a model Trumpet.
Maybe you should go back a few pages and see where he has been corrected many times. He is all talk and blows a lot of smoke, but absolutely no backbone. So far all you have brought to this forum is trolling through these silly insults which shows your lack of knowledge. I should start calling you Kenny from South Part because all you have accomplished since you've been here is making these little Kenny squeaks which have amounted to nothing. But that's atheism in general. So you all hate God and don't want to believe God. So you form a club for all those who don't believe and all you do is attack Christianity which is a worthless existence. And to top this off, you have no solid beliefs of your own that are credible enough to keep your content with life. For if you were so content with life you would not be worrying about what Christians believe. You are free to believe what you want and nobody is persecuting you.
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I see we have yet another Jew hating Democrat. I could go on about the history of WWII and Israeli immigration back to their homeland but people like you are not interested in truth. You follow conspiracy theory so you have closed your ears to truth.

There never was a Palestinian state. There is no such thing as a Palestinian people. They are Jordanians from the country of Jordan. They still have a country to return to.

I've asked this question many times and never got an answer to it. If the Jews were to be expelled from their own nation, where are they to go? Where can they go where they won't be bothered by people who don't want to kill them? They can't go to Europe because they are wanted there nor are their rights protected. In fact, most Jews are leaving Europe for Israel due to the muslim violence against Jews in Europe. So Europe is completely out of the question. So where are they to go? If you want them to leave their tiny country then surely you have a settlement for them besides the ocean?

Who is suggesting they have to be expelled from their own nation? Israel has the right to exist and all nations of the world should recognize and support that right! This is not incompatible with recognizing the rights of the Palestinian people and their desire to be a nation.

Yes it will require leaders of great understanding and tolerance, yet it can be done.

Your comment about the Palestinians never having had nationhood is irrelevant - there are a number of similar examples - Eritrea, South Sudan, Namibia immediately spring to mind

(And stop - again - with the lies about Muslims persecuting Jews in Europe; your ignorance of such matters is eye watering)
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Who is suggesting they have to be expelled from their own nation? Israel has the right to exist and all nations of the world should recognize and support that right!
I'm glad we can agree on that.


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This is not incompatible with recognizing the rights of the Palestinian people and their desire to be a nation.
The Palestinians have turned down the two state solution every single time it came up. They want it all and want to kill all the Jews. Its very hard to negotiate peace when one side lives only to wipe out the other. The Palestinians are raised from the age of just 3 years old to kill Jews and Americans. With such deep seeded hatred from childhood, the idea of a two state solution will never ever work. If the Palestinians were given part of Israel they would want the Jewish part as well. The only sound solution is to run them all out of Israel and back to Jordan where they came from. They have no ancestry back to the land and it wasn't important to them until the Jews moved in and turned that dry rocky desolate land into a green oasis. Then they wanted to take it all and emigrated their for jihad against the Jews as commanded of them by the Qur'an and Sunnah.

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Yes it will require leaders of great understanding and tolerance, yet it can be done.
Its not just any leaders that can make it happen. Right now, Europe doesn't have one capable leader to do anything right. The leaders that need the most convincing are the Palestinian leaders which will never happen. And even if for a time the Palestinians had a leader to make it happen it will be short lived. As long as there is an Islam there will always be war and death because the Qur'an is the book of death and dying. Islam itself is an obsession with death. With an ideology like that there is no reasoning with them.

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Your comment about the Palestinians never having had nationhood is irrelevant - there are a number of similar examples - Eritrea, South Sudan, Namibia immediately spring to mind
They have Jordan, as the Palestinians are Jordanians. That is their heritage and Jordan is their homeland. Sounds reasonably logical that they seek refuge in their own nation which is an Islamic state with plenty of room for more fellow muslims.

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(And stop - again - with the lies about Muslims persecuting Jews in Europe; your ignorance of such matters is eye watering)
That's no lie. Its a well known fact that the muslims are driving the Jews out of Europe. They have desecrated many Jewish grave sites among many other things in Europe. The Jews aren't being protected anymore by progressive leaders. So they are moving to Israel. Israel welcomes Jews. Its the only Jewish state in the world and makes up a tiny little patch of the earth. There are 54 Islamic states that have plenty of room to take in these Palestinians.
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