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Old June 1st, 2018, 10:54 AM   #51
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Maybe we should start a thread on how the Egyptian people are persecuting the poor Gaza strip Palestinians then.
Go ahead and do that but the root cause of this entire issue is what happened in 1948.
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USA should drop Israel and stop sending them $4 billion a year in welfare. 90% of our problems in the Middle East are related to the state of Israel.

The most hilarious fact about Israel is that they condemn terrorism, but Zionists made free use of terrorism to agitate for the creation of Israel. Do as I say, not as I do.
They also terrorize the Palestinians by bombing cities and shooting children.
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They also terrorize the Palestinians by bombing cities and shooting children.
They do.
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Hey morons, who created Israel?

https://history.state.gov/milestones...reation-israel

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Actually, the partition plan contained within UN General Assembly Resolution 181 was not implemented in any sense to have "created Israel." In fact, the region quickly descended into a state of civil war in late 1947 immediately after that Resolution was voted on. And by the time when the British formally withdrew from the Mandate in 1948, the Jews successfully filled that resulting power void, took military control over a significant portion of the Mandate, and declared that region to be the new state of Israel. Thus, the UN did not "create Israel"...as you appear to be suggesting.

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They also terrorize the Palestinians by bombing cities and shooting children.
The terrorizing of Palestinians includes humiliating and shaming them by forcing them to strip nude in public and marching them down the street. They can be orced to stand for many hours in the hot sun at board gates. They are prevented from visiting family in reservations separated by Israel. Israel is nothing like the democracy in the US, and we should not supporting it.
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Actually, the partition plan contained within UN General Assembly Resolution 181 was not implemented in any sense to have "created Israel." In fact, the region quickly descended into a state of civil war in late 1947 immediately after that Resolution was voted on. And by the time when the British formally withdrew from the Mandate in 1948, the Jews successfully filled that resulting power void, took military control over a significant portion of the Mandate, and declared that region to be the new state of Israel. Thus, the UN did not "create Israel"...as you appear to be suggesting.

Some of the same folks who relentlessly castigate the UN will turn around and, at the drop of a hat, use it to justify Zionist aggression.

Thanks for making that clear: The current state of Israel was not created by a UN resolution.
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They do.
Here is footage of Israel bombing Gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brpcXfojooo

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Exactly the same thing could be said of Muslims! I was so frustrated with an Egyptian Muslim because she would not strongly argue the Muslim side in a forum like this one. She was so obedient to Allah's will for peace. I have known many very peaceful Muslims who fully believe peace is the will of Allah and they are very distressed by the trouble fanatic and violent Muslims are causing them. All most of us know of Muslims is the terrible things in the news, and in our of ignorance, we think the violent acts define all of them.

Because the Jews have been long established in the US and not the Muslims, our media tells us the Zionist side and the not the Muslim said, and what the Jews do to people who dare to speak against them is not news. And we should know there is a strong Jewish organization to assure all matters are favorable to Jews. But as all Muslims are not violent people, neither are all Jews mobilized for Zionist goals.

However, the Zionist, Evangelist Christians and adds fuel to the fire and we know not all Christians think our president is doing the will of God when the US bombs Muslims.

And the members of the forum go on and on about campaign spies and noticeably are not in this thread, while of freedom of speech has come to mean spreading false beliefs and not sticking around for the discussion. Reminds me of a rock with "How to amuse an idiot for hours.... turn rock over" Printed on both sides.
Yes, it is so difficult to try to unravel this mess and figure out what is really going on and what the real motivating factors are. I don't think religious beliefs or adherence play a big role..except as handy labels, as the same idiots who want to proclaim their Christianity feel free to advocate genocide of groups they don't like, and ally themselves with non-christians...that is the strange bedfellows we have with Christian Zionists and some Orthodox Jews who see the secular State of Israel as a precursor to the kind of Israel they want...complete with a king they'll proclaim as The Messiah, and a Third Temple built where the Al Aqsa Mosque sits today. Netanyahu and Likud have been playing footsy with this Temple Movement for so long that they have members right in the Israeli Government today and are gradually taking over. And what will happen when they decide to destroy the Grand Mosque to clear the way for their temple???????

The only alliances that will unravel now are the ones who have long considered Israel to be an embarrassing ally they don't like being seen in close company with/yet cooperate for military and strategic purposes....this would be the European Union, Saudi Arabia and their Gulf Emirate allies. Events like the massacres in Gaza are making it necessary for them to place more distance and deniability in their relationship with Israel.

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palestinians, like all poor people, are stupid and evil for bringing kids into such an effed-up world. Just forget the area, do what you can, as a young single person, to get out, by any means possible. you can't have a worse situation, so why not risk all? You can't beat isreal, they'll nuke you first and the US will support them doing so, if need be. Why bring kids into it? the dummies have had 40 years now to figure this out. Kids just make your situation MORE hopeless, so why have any, hmm?
Not everyone has given up hope. Nature controls much of what we do, look for a mate and reproduce and humans add to this ideas of love and happiness.

In looking for information the best alternative to life seems to be suicide. https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C....0.iWL_dhLOOHU

Some of those who have made the anti-life choice are known as suicide bombers or terrorist. Thank you for bring up this point. These are people who know they can not have meaningful lives, because of their circumstances, so the chose to have meaningful deaths.
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Yes, it is so difficult to try to unravel this mess and figure out what is really going on and what the real motivating factors are. I don't think religious beliefs or adherence play a big role..except as handy labels, as the same idiots who want to proclaim their Christianity feel free to advocate genocide of groups they don't like, and ally themselves with non-christians...that is the strange bedfellows we have with Christian Zionists and some Orthodox Jews who see the secular State of Israel as a precursor to the kind of Israel they want...complete with a king they'll proclaim as The Messiah, and a Third Temple built where the Al Aqsa Mosque sits today. Netanyahu and Likud have been playing footsy with this Temple Movement for so long that they have members right in the Israeli Government today and are gradually taking over. And what will happen when they decide to destroy the Grand Mosque to clear the way for their temple???????

The only alliances that will unravel now are the ones who have long considered Israel to be an embarrassing ally they don't like being seen in close company with/yet cooperate for military and strategic purposes....this would be the European Union, Saudi Arabia and their Gulf Emirate allies. Events like the massacres in Gaza are making it necessary for them to place more distance and deniability in their relationship with Israel.

I hope all Christians understand what the Palestinian and Israel clash has to do with people speaking out against Christianity. Those Christians who are not Zionist need to do something about the Christians who are supporting Zionism. This conflict is very likely to bring us to a nuclear war and we will blame Christians for this because the US is dominated by Christians and the US is the power that empowers Israel. Trump is completely tied to escalating the problem and his loving followers believe he is Christian.

The world has one hope. Destroying the religions that repeatedly bring us to war and Trump has increased the non-Christian concern about this. Perhaps when we go to the polls, we should ask not only what a person's party is but also what are the person's religious affiliations. If Jews or Christians are paying for a candidates campaign, perhaps we don't want this person in office? As a global power, we must vote with global considerations.
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