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Old June 6th, 2018, 03:59 AM   #71
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As bloody usual, people who just want to live their lives become targets for political leaders who use "religion" to pit the innocent against each other.

Damn the Zionists/Likuds. Damn them to hell.
I think, in fairness, that no-one could accuse the Nazi leaders of 'Israel' or their Zionist forebears of believing in any religion. They detested traditional Judaism and wanted to set up yet another racist Volk. Shame some real Jews followed them. The Nazis see religion as something to use, as they use the fundamentalist clowns in the South.
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The Jewish-Palestinian conflict started centuries before 1948. Simply, Jews were weak side, but in 1948 started to resist antisemitic assaults.
The "Israelis" were in Europe before the early 1900s.
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I think, in fairness, that no-one could accuse the Nazi leaders of 'Israel' or their Zionist forebears of believing in any religion. They detested traditional Judaism and wanted to set up yet another racist Volk. Shame some real Jews followed them. The Nazis see religion as something to use, as they use the fundamentalist clowns in the South.
Zionism, at its core, is a racist and chauvinistic ideology.
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Old June 6th, 2018, 05:28 PM   #74
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So are Americans, as in citizens of the United States. *shrug*

Please note I did NOT say Native Americans as in the indigenous people that were here when the Europeans invaded and occupied the North American continent.
The ultimatum was, civilize or be killed". An African is either brown or dark brown. Blacks are a made-up people
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The ultimatum was, civilize or be killed". An African is either brown or dark brown. Blacks are a made-up people
Hair-splitting....

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The ultimatum was, civilize or be killed". An African is either brown or dark brown. Blacks are a made-up people
Have you considered that why you find this being some sort of challenge of a shade of color is because of the adjectives and descriptions are from Whites? They make up terms and you questioning this just wack. Are Whites also a made-up people since they seem to be various shades of pink or beige?

Why did Whites call Africans "Black" if it should have been brown? Negro is not an African word. It is a White word to mean Black.

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Go ahead and do that but the root cause of this entire issue is what happened in 1948.
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Zionism, at its core, is a racist and chauvinistic ideology.
Namely, withstanding pogroms, Holocaust and Islamist aggression is racism. Well said.
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The ultimatum was, civilize or be killed". An African is either brown or dark brown. Blacks are a made-up people
Here in Israel arrive numerous Nigerian (former Biafra) pilgrims. These people survived their own Holocaust. I found that they are wise and peaceful people.
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I think, in fairness, that no-one could accuse the Nazi leaders of 'Israel' or their Zionist forebears of believing in any religion. They detested traditional Judaism and wanted to set up yet another racist Volk. Shame some real Jews followed them. The Nazis see religion as something to use, as they use the fundamentalist clowns in the South.
I wish I remembered the name of the guest, but on a recent episode of KPFA's Flashpoints (by way of podcast), host Dennis Bernstein was interviewing a historian who finds that the majority of Orthodox Jews in the world are not centered on the State of Israel as much as secular...especially atheistic Jews who have few claims on being Jewish, except for family and a ramped up focus on Israel today.

It's not something I though of before, but it's an interesting question: are Jews of European origins more Zionist, because they don't have much else that they think makes them Jewish?
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The ultimatum was, civilize or be killed". An African is either brown or dark brown. Blacks are a made-up people
Blacks are no more made up than Jews. But the Black classification is particularly a bad thing when the mother is white. The labeling is like saying the child is not really the mothers the child. We should at least use a word for mixed races to acknowledge both parents. The labeling also promotes a lie about people with dark skin being somehow different from people with light skin when all that could possibly be different is the shade of the skin and maybe the hair. And while we are at it, the child of a Jewish woman isn't a Jew if the child's father is known to be a non-Jew. Then the woman and child loose rights of inheritance and that is why being a virgin is so important!

Nothing of Africa can be transmitted through a white mother who only knows the US and nothing of Jewish can be transmitted in any way besides teaching a child to be Jew. But then Christians insist we all carry a curse because of Adam and Eve eating the fruit of knowledge, and what can be done with people who think like that? Wasn't another curse from God supposed to justify dark-skinned people being made slaves? When people believe these silly notions of a god cursing people how rational can we expect them to be?

Not all dark skinned people have African heritage, at least no more than the rest of us. We all came out of Africa, right? I think some people with black skin want to create a mythology for themselves, just as the Hebrews and others have created their own mythology. This is a serious problem when the mythology is divisive.

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