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Old September 29th, 2017, 04:29 AM   #41
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Aren't you the clever one?? The shell game has begun and you aren't questioning a single thing, are you??
What we've seen so far is something nine pages long. The final bill will be hundreds of pages and you are ready to BUY whatever the GOP and Dotard are selling--just like a good little cult member.

Unlike you, SOME of us have questions and concerns:

*The plan will likely add to the deficit.
*The wealthy make out very well.
*Businesses get major tax cuts and of course you and your kinfolk are assuming that means JOBS. Assuming is the operative word.
*The death tax is completely eliminated which makes me wonder how the boys in D.C. plan to make up the difference.
*Under the plan, America will have just three tax rates: 35, 25 and 12 percent, but we don't know yet which rate someone earning $50,000 or $80,000 will pay. Aren't you a bit curious?? OH that's right. You trust Trump.
*Married couples earning $24,000 or less or an individual earning $12,000 or less won't pay any taxes....but that doesn't concern you...?
*America's LARGE corporations will get a huge tax cut and considering what their high-priced attorneys can and HAVE done in the past I have to wonder if they will pay squat.
*The White House and Congress promised to close some loopholes that businesses currently enjoy, but no one is saying what those are yet. In fact, the only details we have show MORE business goodies, not less.
*Trump is promising "unleashed" economic growth and of course he never exaggerates.

But hey--those are just some of MY concerns. I'm sure you LOVE LOVE LOVE everything about this legislation. Lucky you!
Maybe he will be transparent and put it online for a week like Obama did with Obamacare, wait,,,,,,,,,
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Old September 29th, 2017, 04:31 AM   #42
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What a great billboard sign that would make!! Unfortunately, what Dotard wants to do is keep more money in the hands of the 1%--well okay---maybe the 2%...but I'm sure they'll share it with you, Kemo Sab. Then we'll all watch that deficit go up up and away.
You mean more money in the hands of the people that earn it, that took a chance with THEIR money at some point to start a business, risking everything.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 04:32 AM   #43
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If you use your numbers that's actually a 50% increase.

If you use the real numbers however
2000 Receipts were 2025.2 billion
2009 Receipts were 2105.0 billion
That's 3.9% increase in receipts
But outlays went from 1789 billion in 2000
to 3517.7 billion in 2009.
That's a 96.6% increase in spending over the same period.

Thanks to the Bush Tax Cuts....
So you are saying that 911 had nothing to do with any of that?
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Old September 29th, 2017, 04:38 AM   #44
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So you are saying that 911 had nothing to do with any of that?
No, I'm responding to the assertion that the Bush Tax cuts raised revenue by 67%.
In fact the Bush tax cuts reduced revenue, exploded the deficit, and delivered very little in the way of growth.

And now the Trump proposal is to do the same thing, reduce revenue in a way that will produce very little in the way of growth, but add a whole lot of deficit.

That's what happened before, that's what the Trump proposal will do if implemented.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 05:32 AM   #45
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You mean more money in the hands of the people that earn it, that took a chance with THEIR money at some point to start a business, risking everything.


You mean people like Trump who inherited their money or "GOT a small loan of a million dollars" to get started?? YEP--those very same people.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 05:33 AM   #46
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Maybe he will be transparent and put it online for a week like Obama did with Obamacare, wait,,,,,,,,,


Are you suggesting that ACA wasn't posted online??
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Old September 29th, 2017, 05:44 AM   #47
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I just wish the trickle-down believers would hold their breath waiting for it.

Because this will become Kansas, Dorothy.


The GOP still loves the trickle-down crap and St. Ronnie. Amazing. After all this time they still buy the ol' if corporate America has lots of money/less regulation--more and more and more---they'll hire more people, ergo create more jobs for us poh' folks--because they are inherently generous and patriotic.

So here we go again. GOP playbook. AND the cult is cheering. Astonishing.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 08:23 AM   #48
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The GOP still loves the trickle-down crap and St. Ronnie. Amazing. After all this time they still buy the ol' if corporate America has lots of money/less regulation--more and more and more---they'll hire more people, ergo create more jobs for us poh' folks--because they are inherently generous and patriotic.

So here we go again. GOP playbook. AND the cult is cheering. Astonishing.
I don't think the Republicans believe in trickle down (or as Bush1 called it "voodoo") economics either. I think they just use that meme to veil their efforts to repay their campaign donors with huge tax breaks.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 09:13 AM   #49
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From the NYT:

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Now, the budget office forecasts that deficits will total $10.1 trillion over the next decade. The deficit is expected to top $1 trillion a year in 2022 and keep growing from there. Federal debt held by the public is at the highest level since shortly after World War II, at 77 percent of the gross domestic product.
Also quoted in many sources this morning but I will use the NYT also here so you don't have to click twice to fact-check me:

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I think the greatest threat to our nation is us,” warned Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee and a member of the Senate Budget Committee. “The way we handle our finances, we as a nation are the greatest threat to our nation. It’s not ISIS. It’s not North Korea. It’s not ascendant China. It’s not Russia. We are the greatest threat.”
Now I understand why he's leaving. Being it seems the only Republican in Congress with two bits of brain to rub together must have made him feel like the odd man out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/u...am=top-stories
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Old September 29th, 2017, 09:16 AM   #50
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And of course, Dot.Don lies again:

So, at a speech in Indiana he has the gall to say:

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"It's not good for me. Believe me"
Except Axios, BBC and CBC all say it is exactly him and those like him that benefit from it.

The only way this could hurt him is if his base finally grew a brain and realized what he is doing.

But fat chance.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trum...efit-1.4312487
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