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Old September 29th, 2017, 11:35 AM   #61
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Where is the demand if millions are out of work? Demand rises as jobs are filled. Jobs are filled because business has the capitol to expand.
We have the lowest unemployment rate since the financial meltdown. Still Brownback's trickle down experiment failed while bordering states flourished.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 11:41 AM   #62
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My patience is wearing thin with you and others who just make up stuff. You have a world of resources at your disposal and you absolutely CHOOSE to be ignorant. WHY? Why would anyone WANT to be stupid??

ACA: Democrats posted the text of the ACA online *30 days before* it went to members for a vote.

Republicans Finally Get A Look At GOP's Obamcare Replacement Bill, But Dems Shut Out : Shots - Health News : NPR

In fact, I remember TRYING to read it because it was a WHOPPER. I remember thinking "Thank God the Dems have posted it so I get to SEE FOR MYSELF what's in the bill." Becuzzzz.....all we were hearing from the GOP was how horrible it was--death panels, expense, congress exempted, doctors leaving, etc.

Now let's talk about Nancy's quote in context:

Pelosi: People won’t appreciate reform until it passes
Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that people won’t appreciate how great the Democrat’s health plan is until after it passes.

“You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.”

During a 20-minute speech, she touted benefits she thinks will be tangible to the audience’s employers. She said there’s support for public health infrastructure and investments in community health centers that will reduce uncompensated care that hospitals now need to deliver.

“You know as well as anyone that our current system is unsustainable,” said Pelosi (D-Calif.). “The final health care legislation, which will soon be passed by the Congress, will deliver successful reforms at the local level.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-cont...he-bill-quote/


AND guess what?? Nancy Pelosi was right. NOW that more Americans HAVE healthcare---THEY APPRECIATE IT and want to keep it.
Speaking of thin patience and stuff. Do you actually have a link that shows the ACA was posted online 30 days in advance?
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We have the lowest unemployment rate since the financial meltdown. Still Brownback's trickle down experiment failed while bordering states flourished.
How many millions are still out of work? Of those working, what wage are they earning? If your barely making rent and food money, demand for anything else is not on the table.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 12:02 PM   #64
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How many millions are still out of work? Of those working, what wage are they earning? If your barely making rent and food money, demand for anything else is not on the table.
Why didn't your theory work in Brownback's Kansas ?
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Speaking of thin patience and stuff. Do you actually have a link that shows the ACA was posted online 30 days in advance?
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He compared what the Republicans are doing this week with what the Democrats did with their draft of the Affordable Care Act several years ago; Democrats posted the text of the ACA online 30 days before it went to members for a vote.

"The reason why Republicans were able to comment on the ACA — and of course many of them commented negatively — was because the bill was out there," Pallone said.
Republicans Finally Get A Look At GOP's Obamcare Replacement Bill, But Dems Shut Out : Shots - Health News : NPR
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Where is the demand if millions are out of work? Demand rises as jobs are filled. Jobs are filled because business has the capitol to expand.
Jobs are filled when people spend.
If people spend, business has the capital to expand.
If you give the wealthy 100 billion in tax cuts, they aren't waiting to buy anything they are going to invest that money, and you have increased the pool of money to invest by 100 billion dollars.
And all you had to do, was issue 100 billion in debt to finance that tax cut.
And that 100 billion in debt comes from investors, it takes 100 billion out of the pool of money to invest.
Net change in money available to invest ZERO.
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And of course, Dot.Don lies again:

So, at a speech in Indiana he has the gall to say:

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Except Axios, BBC and CBC all say it is exactly him and those like him that benefit from it.

The only way this could hurt him is if his base finally grew a brain and realized what he is doing.

But fat chance.

'It's not good for me. Believe me': Actually, Trump tax plan a boon for the rich, experts say - Business - CBC News
It's not just that he has the gall to say it. We're accustomed to his saying anything at anytime because no matter how hare-brained it was, later he or his supporters will explain what he really meant.

It's practically unbelievable to watch his supporters continue to take him at his word, never researching it, and then repeating it and defending him.

DJT is a problem. His supporters are a bigger problem.
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Thats not the ACA. That is the replacement for it.
Clara said the ACA was available for everyone to look at it 30 days before it was voted on around 7PM on Christmas Eve 2010. Where is the source to prove that?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a8c2ee265b2b
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A thought just came. Eric, Jr. and Ivanka must be pretty happy. When the old man croaks, they get it all if it passes.
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Perhaps if you guys actually read up on how estate taxes work, it might just be less embarrassing.

Super rich people like Trump have a lot of attorneys under retainer, including those that specialize in estate planning. The only ones that get hurt by estate taxes are the middle to upper class people that neglected to do estate planning or died suddenly. Five and a half million in assets in not anywhere near rich in NY or California.

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The estate tax raised $8.5 billion in 2012 — less than 1% of the $1.2 trillion inherited that year.

Only 1 out of every 700 deaths results in paying the federal estate tax today. The vast majority of estates — 99.9% — do not pay federal estate taxes.

While the top estate tax rate is 40%, the average tax rate paid is just 17%.

The estate tax is only paid on assets greater than $5.3 million per individual ($10.6 million per couple). Even billionaires pay nothing on the first $5.3 million left to their heirs.

Only 20 small business and family farm estates nationwide will owe any estate tax in 2013.

The estate tax will raise $225 billion over the next 10 years. This is more than the $164 billion 10-year shortfall in the highway and mass transit trust funds.

The Walton family — which owns half of Walmart — has exploited a loophole in the estate tax to avoid paying $3 billion in estate taxes. This could increase by tens of billions in the future.

Casino magnate Sheldon Adelson has exploited a loophole that allowed him to pass $8 billion to family members and avoid $2.8 billion in estate taxes.

https://americansfortaxfairness.org/...heritance-tax/
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Old September 29th, 2017, 02:59 PM   #70
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Maybe if you guys actually read up on how estate taxes work, you won't embarrass yourselves.

Super rich people like Trump have a lot of attorneys under retainer, including those that specialize in estate planning. The only ones that get hurt by estate taxes are the middle to upper class people that neglected to do estate planning or died suddenly. Five and a half million in assets in not anywhere near rich in NY or California.

Key Facts

The estate tax raised $8.5 billion in 2012 — less than 1% of the $1.2 trillion inherited that year.
Only 1 out of every 700 deaths results in paying the federal estate tax today. The vast majority of estates — 99.9% — do not pay federal estate taxes.
While the top estate tax rate is 40%, the average tax rate paid is just 17%.
The estate tax is only paid on assets greater than $5.3 million per individual ($10.6 million per couple). Even billionaires pay nothing on the first $5.3 million left to their heirs.

Only 20 small business and family farm estates nationwide will owe any estate tax in 2013.
The estate tax will raise $225 billion over the next 10 years. This is more than the $164 billion 10-year shortfall in the highway and mass transit trust funds.
The Walton family — which owns half of Walmart — has exploited a loophole in the estate tax to avoid paying $3 billion in estate taxes. This could increase by tens of billions in the future.

Casino magnate Sheldon Adelson has exploited a loophole that allowed him to pass $8 billion to family members and avoid $2.8 billion in estate taxes.
It forced family farms to "incorporate". Their is no good argument for the estate tax but jealousy and envy.
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