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Old August 2nd, 2008, 06:05 PM   #1
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Cost of Gay marriage

As we all know, Gay marriage will be a major financial burden for US taxpayers.

Should there be a special Federal tax for the states that have legalized Gay marriage/civil unions?

Are there other ways states can pay for Gay marriage?

How will the additional medical expenses be funded?
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Old August 2nd, 2008, 06:10 PM   #2
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the same we have "funded" all marriages.



are you suggesting that gays aren't taxpayers?



what additional medical expenses?



the government doesn't pay my medical expenses



are you daft?
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As we all know, Gay marriage will be a major financial burden for US taxpayers.

Should there be a special Federal tax for the states that have legalized Gay marriage/civil unions?

Are there other ways states can pay for Gay marriage?

How will the additional medical expenses be funded?


Care to provide some statistics to back up your lame assertion?





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As we all know, Gay marriage will be a major financial burden for US taxpayers.

Should there be a special Federal tax for the states that have legalized Gay marriage/civil unions?

Are there other ways states can pay for Gay marriage?

How will the additional medical expenses be funded?


Why ask these questions?
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 06:59 AM   #5
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Why ask these questions?
A breath of fresh air.

It's something new from the same old tired issues.

Well, let me say this, it's a new subject for I.
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A breath of fresh air.

It's something new from the same old tired issues.

Well, let me say this, it's a new subject for I.


You said "As we all know...." but here is the thing, we don't all know this. You are just doing what homophobic bigots do all the time when it comes to this issue, you are pulling nonsense out of your ass without one iota of evidence to back it up.



I have had several exchanges with you now, and it always comes down to you having to support what you say is "In your experience...", OR, "I have known XYZ to be true..." and now this, my personal favorite, "AS we all know.."



You seem to have a lot of information, so please, enlighten us with some proof for a change.



Thanks.





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Old August 3rd, 2008, 07:08 AM   #7
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Care to provide some statistics to back up your lame assertion?





There will not be any stats for something like this at this time.

But it's commonsense that there will be additional financial burdens for the taxpayers.

Gay marriage will lower income tax revenues and at the same time increase the financial burden on Social Security (Spousal benefits, survivor benefits, disability benefits), our court system and employers that provide benefits.



I own a business and I can see a huge impact on the economy, employers and taxpayers.

No, I'm not rich, like the majority of employers in the USA. lol
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once again - you refuse to answer:



financial burdens for the taxpayers? are you suggesting that gays aren't taxpayers - taxpayers who have, in fact, been taxed more heavily than straight couple taxpayers?
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A breath of fresh air.

It's something new from the same old tired issues.

Well, let me say this, it's a new subject for I.


then, please respond to the second post on this thread
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 07:13 AM   #10
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There will not be any stats for something like this at this time.

But it's commonsense that there will be additional financial burdens for the taxpayers.

Gay marriage will lower income tax revenues and at the same time increase the financial burden on Social Security (Spousal benefits, survivor benefits, disability benefits), our court system and employers that provide benefits.


Then let's do away with marriage altogether, if it's such a burden on the economy.



The gender of the people involved is immaterial.
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There will not be any stats for something like this at this time.

But it's commonsense that there will be additional financial burdens for the taxpayers.

Gay marriage will lower income tax revenues and at the same time increase the financial burden on Social Security (Spousal benefits, survivor benefits, disability benefits), our court system and employers that provide benefits.



I own a business and I can see a huge impact on the economy, employers and taxpayers.

No, I'm not rich, like the majority of employers in the USA. lol




Actually there are studies about the impact gay could have:



Gay couples are projected to spend $684 million on flowers, cakes, hotels, photographers and other wedding services over the next three years ó so long as voters donít put a halt to the same-sex marriage spree, according to a study by the Williams Institute at University of California, Los Angeles School of Law.



The Raw Story Study: Same sex weddings could boost California economy



A recent study (.pdf) conducted by the Congressional Budget Office found that if all 50 states and the federal government extended the rights and obligations of marriage to same-sex couples, gay weddings would generate almost $1 billion in revenue each year. According to other estimates, same-sex marriages could tack on more than $16 billion annually to the $70 billion wedding industry.



An Economic Boost From Gay Marriage - US News and World Report





Now where are your doom and gloom studies?
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 07:18 AM   #12
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You said "As we all know...." but here is the thing, we don't all know this. You are just doing what homophobic bigots do all the time when it comes to this issue, you are pulling nonsense out of your ass without one iota of evidence to back it up.



I have had several exchanges with you now, and it always comes down to you having to support what you say is "In your experience...", OR, "I have known XYZ to be true..." and now this, my personal favorite, "AS we all know.."



You seem to have a lot of information, so please, enlighten us with some proof for a change.



Thanks.





I don't even know what Homophobic bigot means.

If I have a phobia, it would be getting seriously injured 500 miles from civilization. YIKES!



I leave some debate to commonsense.

My world does not center around what a reporter thinks or writes about. There is much more to life.



How should our tax system handle this added financial burden that Gay marriage represents? Any thoughts?
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 07:23 AM   #13
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Actually there are studies about the impact gay could have:



Gay couples are projected to spend $684 million on flowers, cakes, hotels, photographers and other wedding services over the next three years — so long as voters don’t put a halt to the same-sex marriage spree, according to a study by the Williams Institute at University of California, Los Angeles School of Law.



The Raw Story Study: Same sex weddings could boost California economy



A recent study (.pdf) conducted by the Congressional Budget Office found that if all 50 states and the federal government extended the rights and obligations of marriage to same-sex couples, gay weddings would generate almost $1 billion in revenue each year. According to other estimates, same-sex marriages could tack on more than $16 billion annually to the $70 billion wedding industry.



An Economic Boost From Gay Marriage - US News and World Report





Now where are your doom and gloom studies?
What is the financial burden of Gay marriage in California, including illegal aliens?
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 07:28 AM   #14
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once again - you refuse to answer:



financial burdens for the taxpayers? are you suggesting that gays aren't taxpayers - taxpayers who have, in fact, been taxed more heavily than straight couple taxpayers?
It's a fact, Gay marriage will have a huge impact on Social Security, healthcare system, employers, court system, state budgets etc....

Are you asking me to explain in more detail?
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What is the financial burden of Gay marriage in California, including illegal aliens?




What he heck do illegals have to do with what we are talking about?



So far you have failed to back up any of your assumptions.
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 07:42 AM   #16
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Actually there are studies about the impact gay could have:



Gay couples are projected to spend $684 million on flowers, cakes, hotels, photographers and other wedding services over the next three years ó so long as voters donít put a halt to the same-sex marriage spree, according to a study by the Williams Institute at University of California, Los Angeles School of Law.



The Raw Story Study: Same sex weddings could boost California economy



A recent study (.pdf) conducted by the Congressional Budget Office found that if all 50 states and the federal government extended the rights and obligations of marriage to same-sex couples, gay weddings would generate almost $1 billion in revenue each year. According to other estimates, same-sex marriages could tack on more than $16 billion annually to the $70 billion wedding industry.



An Economic Boost From Gay Marriage - US News and World Report





Now where are your doom and gloom studies?
I have searched for the negative impact of Gay marriage and it's like the media is afraid to report it.

Here is an example,

The CBO calculates that same-sex couples would boost Social Security spending, because the partner of a deceased worker would receive 100 percent of the worker's benefit. But the federal government would save money on Supplemental Security Income, Medicaid, and Medicare.

This says nothing about the additional cases of HIV/AIDS Gay marriages may produce and that would be a major burden on SS, Medicaid and Medicare.

The CBO is probably afraid of being sued for distributing such information!

That's why I started this thread, it's a new perspective!
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What he heck do illegals have to do with what we are talking about?



So far you have failed to back up any of your assumptions.
Not all illegal aliens (30 million) are Heteros.
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I don't believe an illegal alien can apply for a legal marriage license, nor apply for s/s benefits.



You DO understand what illegal means, right?
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This says nothing about the additional cases of HIV/AIDS Gay marriages may produce and that would be a major burden on SS, Medicaid and Medicare.


Please, PLEASE, explain how couples committing to fidelity and monogamous relationships INCREASES the number of AIDS cases.



C'mon rainman, you're spreading the info, please elaborate.
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the same we have "funded" all marriages.



are you suggesting that gays aren't taxpayers?



what additional medical expenses?



the government doesn't pay my medical expenses



are you daft?
Yes, we have all funded marriage but America is now broke.

Social Security can not pay it's bills.

I got my SS statement and it said that by 2041, my benefit amounts will not be guaranteed.

I'm concerned that I will not get a dime of my SS money and Gay marriage will only make this worse.
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