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Old October 27th, 2017, 11:45 AM   #101
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The golden rule is. If you go to Asimov's interpretation of Jesus' words, that goes way beyond the golden rule. That was the only subject I thought was being discussed in this particular exchange.

I was not referring to spirituality in general.
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the golden rule is. If you go to asimov's interpretation of jesus' words, that goes way beyond the golden rule. That was the only subject i thought was being discussed in this particular exchange.

I was not referring to spirituality in general.
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The golden rule is. If you go to Asimov's interpretation of Jesus' words, that goes way beyond the golden rule. That was the only subject I thought was being discussed in this particular exchange.

I was not referring to spirituality in general.
Common sense applied here without moral integrity is simply tit-for-tat. But that can also justify violence and retaliation, an eye for an eye, if the assailant deems it an act of fairness. That pushes the golden rule, without oversight, into the realm of payback and preemptive strike. Be careful about making the so-called golden rule a product of pure rationalism without spiritual accountability.
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Common sense applied here without moral integrity is simply tit-for-tat. But that can also justify violence and retaliation, an eye for an eye, if the assailant deems it an act of fairness. That pushes the golden rule, without oversight, into the realm of payback and preemptive strike. Be careful about making the so-called golden rule a product of pure rationalism without spiritual accountability.
Well, where does "an eye for an eye" come from. I realize that according to the bible Jesus negated that. But you still hear it from some of the fundie menace.

And again it leads me to the question about what parts of the OT are valid and who decides?
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Well, where does "an eye for an eye" come from. I realize that according to the bible Jesus negated that. But you still hear it from some of the fundie menace.

And again it leads me to the question about what parts of the OT are valid and who decides?
It's a great question.

The Gods of the OT and NT don't bear much resemblance to each other.

The God of the OT is like a human with superpowers who experiences all the negative emotions and thoughts typical of a teenager, whereas the God of the NT is love
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Well, where does "an eye for an eye" come from. I realize that according to the bible Jesus negated that. But you still hear it from some of the fundie menace.

And again it leads me to the question about what parts of the OT are valid and who decides?
I've always been taught that "an eye for an eye" comes from the Code of Hammurabi, which precedes the 10 Commandments by about 800 years, and was originally intended to place limitations on persons taking matters of payback into their own hands. It wasn't given as a divine mandate to take action, but to act as a barrier against extreme acts of vengeance.

But Christ said not to seek vengeance at all, but to forgive even those who deliberately seek to harm you. That doesn't mean stand still and get hit, avoiding injury is natural, but it does mean to not hit back.
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I've always been taught that "an eye for an eye" comes from the Code of Hammurabi, which precedes the 10 Commandments by about 800 years, and was originally intended to place limitations on persons taking matters of payback into their own hands. It wasn't given as a divine mandate to take action, but to act as a barrier against extreme acts of vengeance.

But Christ said not to seek vengeance at all, but to forgive even those who deliberately seek to harm you. That doesn't mean stand still and get hit, avoiding injury is natural, but it does mean to not hit back.
I'm going to pic a nit. An eye for an eye is based in pre bible mythology. But the golden rule is biblical?

Interesting parsing.
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It's a great question.

The Gods of the OT and NT don't bear much resemblance to each other.

The God of the OT is like a human with superpowers who experiences all the negative emotions and thoughts typical of a teenager, whereas the God of the NT is love
The God of the OT is the Demiurge, whereas the God of the NT is the True God

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The God of the OT is the Demiurge, whereas the God of the NT is the True God
That's a completely alien concept in modern Christianity, right?
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That's a completely alien concept in modern Christianity, right?
Yes, but the first person to have codified the Biblical canon, Macrion, believed this.
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