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Old October 16th, 2017, 01:41 PM   #41
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You decide subjectively. Which means you choose to believe what you want to believe. Why might you want yo believe in God?

Picture the person you love most in the world, hopefully more than yourself.

If there is no God this person has no more value than the pig or cow you ate for dinner last night. There is no special uniquiness that gives this person any value over any person anywhere in the world. In a few years science will progress to build a robot copy of this person good enuf to fool you, at least for a limited time.

I can't argue you into believing in God. I offer this as a possible reason you might want to.
A pig or cow cannot reason. So your argument is invalid.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 01:42 PM   #42
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So I guess the question REALLY is what does it matter what ANYONE thinks about God.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 01:44 PM   #43
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Sorry.. Wife would hit me for that blasphemy using the wrong there, there.

I repented and corrected my Unforgivable sin. so There.
A good wife.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 01:48 PM   #44
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A pig or cow cannot reason. So your argument is invalid.
Whoa!

Please define reason.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 01:53 PM   #45
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Please don't flatter yourself, and don't assume. I have full faith in and I'd argue evidence for the existence of a Creator. So your cute gotcha came up with thin air.

Factually speaking, the existence of the judeo-christian God cannot be scientifically proved nor disproved.
Creation is enough proof, ours and the creation we live on>
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Old October 16th, 2017, 01:57 PM   #46
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Creation is enough proof, ours and the creation we live on>
For you, and I understand your point, but not for everyone.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 02:05 PM   #47
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If you think anybody is a better person than another person, then you are not an atheist.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 02:07 PM   #48
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Do you think God is real?
My position is agnostic. I see no evidence either proving nor discounting the existence of god(s).



This is an attempt to justify one belief with other beliefs...
Circular logic at its worst.

I recall one person (years ago) proclaiming that our earth's orbit was "perfect", claiming that if we would move either 100 miles closer or 100 miles farther away we would either burn up or freeze to death.
The ignorance being that with our elliptical earth orbit, there is actually a variance of 5 million kilometers between our closest approach to sun and furthest reach.

So, to get back to your claim, please justify your claims:
a) "we exist so perfectly"? What the heck does that mean to you?
b) "universe devoid of other life"? Kindly prove this claim.



This claim is a claim made of convenience.
Kind of like saying "God makes you special", but then there is absolutely no validation of what "special" means.

In the end, you're simply repeating your beliefs. To pretend they should be meaningful for others is myopic.
Your variance argument means nothing, all it means is at our closest variance if we were 100 miles closer, and furthest variance, any further than 100 miles more away. Are you really that dense?

Then there is the atmosphere that supports us being perfectly balanced, the food we eat, the food animals eat, that we can't. The human eye is enough to make most sane people believe.

Kindly show me evidence of other life in the universe, please show photographic evidence.
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A pig or cow cannot reason. So your argument is invalid.
Without transcendent value having reason is of no more value than having an instinct to migrate.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 02:21 PM   #50
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So I guess the question REALLY is what does it matter what ANYONE thinks about God.
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks.

What matters are the actions they take that affect other people. Telling two men they can't marry each other (and creating a law that enforces it) because the god you believe supposedly says homosexuality is a sin isn't right.
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