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Old October 16th, 2017, 02:30 PM   #51
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Your variance argument means nothing, all it means is at our closest variance if we were 100 miles closer, and furthest variance, any further than 100 miles more away. Are you really that dense?

Then there is the atmosphere that supports us being perfectly balanced, the food we eat, the food animals eat, that we can't. The human eye is enough to make most sane people believe.

Kindly show me evidence of other life in the universe, please show photographic evidence.
Yeah, he can show his pics of ETs, and you can show your pics of God.

This sounds interesting.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 02:34 PM   #52
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Old October 16th, 2017, 03:09 PM   #53
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Do you think God is real?
My position is agnostic. I see no evidence either proving nor discounting the existence of god(s).

This is an attempt to justify one belief with other beliefs...
Circular logic at its worst.

I recall one person (years ago) proclaiming that our earth's orbit was "perfect", claiming that if we would move either 100 miles closer or 100 miles farther away we would either burn up or freeze to death.
The ignorance being that with our elliptical earth orbit, there is actually a variance of 5 million kilometers between our closest approach to sun and furthest reach.

So, to get back to your claim, please justify your claims:
a) "we exist so perfectly"? What the heck does that mean to you?
b) "universe devoid of other life"? Kindly prove this claim.



This claim is a claim made of convenience.
Kind of like saying "God makes you special", but then there is absolutely no validation of what "special" means.

In the end, you're simply repeating your beliefs. To pretend they should be meaningful for others is myopic.
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Your variance argument means nothing, all it means is at our closest variance if we were 100 miles closer, and furthest variance, any further than 100 miles more away. Are you really that dense?
Actually, that question should be asked of you as you clearly do not understand what I was saying with that anecdote.
To start with, I was giving somebody else's claim and explaining why it was flawed.
I never gave that anecdote as a justification of anything...


Additionally, our elliptical orbit actually varies by 5 million KM.


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Then there is the atmosphere that supports us being perfectly balanced, the food we eat, the food animals eat, that we can't. The human eye is enough to make most sane people believe.
Again, you make assumptions that you cannot reason through with these claims of "perfectly balanced".
HOW do you justify these claims of "perfectly balanced"?


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Kindly show me evidence of other life in the universe, please show photographic evidence.
ROFLMAO!
From time to time I come across people who:
a) They make a claim, providing no proof.
b) I ask them to prove their claim.
c) They turn around and demand I disprove their claim.

No, no, no...
That's not how this works.
YOU MADE THE CLAIM that we are the only life in this universe.
YOU are the one who has the burden of proof to prove your claim.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 03:25 PM   #54
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Actually, that question should be asked of you as you clearly do not understand what I was saying with that anecdote.
To start with, I was giving somebody else's claim and explaining why it was flawed.
I never gave that anecdote as a justification of anything...


Additionally, our elliptical orbit actually varies by 5 million KM.



Again, you make assumptions that you cannot reason through with these claims of "perfectly balanced".
HOW do you justify these claims of "perfectly balanced"?



ROFLMAO!
From time to time I come across people who:
a) They make a claim, providing no proof.
b) I ask them to prove their claim.
c) They turn around and demand I disprove their claim.

No, no, no...
That's not how this works.
YOU MADE THE CLAIM that we are the only life in this universe.
YOU are the one who has the burden of proof to prove your claim.
But it's oh so easy when he knows nothing but thinks he does.

Is there a god? Maybe, as in some force.

Is there a god of the bible that loves you (in spite of all the mean and miserable things he does to man and beast)? No.

My challenge has always been that I will consider believing in the god of the bible as soon as there is some actually documented and statistically significant data to show that the devout enjoy a better outcome than the cruds in the world. So far no one has come close to showing that.
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A pig or cow cannot reason. So your argument is invalid.
How would you know this? Have you spoken with one recently?
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Old October 16th, 2017, 04:12 PM   #56
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It doesn't matter what anyone thinks.

What matters are the actions they take that affect other people. Telling two men they can't marry each other (and creating a law that enforces it) because the god you believe supposedly says homosexuality is a sin isn't right.
It isn't right by whose universal standard?
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Old October 16th, 2017, 04:14 PM   #57
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Your variance argument means nothing, all it means is at our closest variance if we were 100 miles closer, and furthest variance, any further than 100 miles more away. Are you really that dense?

Then there is the atmosphere that supports us being perfectly balanced, the food we eat, the food animals eat, that we can't. The human eye is enough to make most sane people believe.

Kindly show me evidence of other life in the universe, please show photographic evidence.
Well except for the biologists (you know the people who actually study things like the eye) who are atheistic far above the general population.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 05:08 PM   #59
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It isn't right by whose universal standard?
By the standard of "if it doesn't affect you get yer fuckin' nose out of it".

Many people have asked how gay marriage hurts those who are against it. And there has never been an answer that wasn't a variety of "I think it's icky!"
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By the standard of "if it doesn't affect you get yer fuckin' nose out of it".

Many people have asked how gay marriage hurts those who are against it. And there has never been an answer that wasn't a variety of "I think it's icky!"
Personally I think Divorce harms marriage more so than Homosexual Unions.
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