Political Forums  

Go Back   Defending The Truth Political Forum > Political Forum > Opinion Polls

Opinion Polls Political Opinion Polls - Polls created by the community


Thanks Tree12Thanks
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old September 20th, 2016, 07:38 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
Twisted Sister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Brown Township, Ohio
Posts: 8,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmyb View Post
It could work in a small nation-state, but the US is not a stuctured as a nation-state. That is where all of our problems arise and the devisivness comes from: trying to force a nation-state out of states and a Constitution that is antithetical to a nation-state.
Athens was a city-state and Democracy eventually brought it to ruins. All kinds of shenanigans were going on with the ballot box.
Thanks from Jimmyb
Twisted Sister is offline  
Old September 20th, 2016, 08:36 AM   #12
Senior Member
 
Hollywood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Memphis, Tn.
Posts: 15,379
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
Why exactly, be as specific as you care to.
Well boys, I'm waiting.
Hollywood is offline  
Old September 20th, 2016, 09:31 AM   #13
Commie Exposer
 
Jimmyb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Republic of Texas
Posts: 37,676
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Sister View Post
Athens was a city-state and Democracy eventually brought it to ruins. All kinds of shenanigans were going on with the ballot box.
When reading the influences used by Madison for the structure of the Constitution, the history of how democracies have failed over time was the influence on the structure of the Constitution. Franklin made a speech at the convention regarding the political structures of Greece and Rome and why they failed.
Jimmyb is offline  
Old September 20th, 2016, 10:00 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Twisted Sister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Brown Township, Ohio
Posts: 8,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmyb View Post
When reading the influences used by Madison for the structure of the Constitution, the history of how democracies have failed over time was the influence on the structure of the Constitution. Franklin made a speech at the convention regarding the political structures of Greece and Rome and why they failed.
Our country had a bumpy road to transverse from the get go. Rome lasted for 1000 years and Memphis has lasted over 5000 years including pre-dynastic. The United States has a long row to hoe but we will do it just like we put man on the moon.
Thanks from Jimmyb
Twisted Sister is offline  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 04:13 AM   #15
Commander
 
fdtwain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Europe
Posts: 588
Quote:
Originally Posted by dusara217 View Post
The question is simple really: can a form of direct democracy work in a nation-state?

Let's set the scenario as such: The government is a three-branch Presidential system (Executive, Legislative, Judicial), but the Legislative body is replaced by the citizenry. Every citizen who wishes to vote on Legislation, National decisions, etc. must take a test regarding education levels to ensure that said citizen is qualified to be making such decisions. The test would basically be on things like basic history, Constitution of the Nation-State, etc. Not a comprehensive test that would basically create some new form of elite within the country, but just enough to ensure that, if you want your opinion to matter, you need to understand the issues, and have enough knowledge regarding history, politics, and the like to vote intelligently in referenda. Ideology, would, of course, play no role in said test, and it would be a simple measure of education, akin to the ACT, I suppose, in its level of difficulty. These qualified individuals would also vote for the Head of State.

Could this proposed government style work? Obviously, it's not the most traditional concept of direct democracy, but it's not like Athenian democracy actually gave the vote to all of the denizens of Athens.
The answer to your question is yes it can: Athenian style direct democracy can function in a nation-state.
fdtwain is offline  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 04:28 AM   #16
Senior Member
 
Twisted Sister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Brown Township, Ohio
Posts: 8,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by fdtwain View Post
The answer to your question is yes it can: Athenian style direct democracy can function in a nation-state.
When Pericles ruled Athens was the golden age of ancient Greece never seen before or since. When Pericles died, poof there goes pure Democracy.
Twisted Sister is offline  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 04:38 AM   #17
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: upnorth
Posts: 1,306
Quote:
Originally Posted by dusara217 View Post
Every citizen who wishes to vote on Legislation, National decisions, etc. must take a test regarding education levels to ensure that said citizen is qualified to be making such decisions.
So you are only allowed to vote if you agree with the "official" version of history? Why not make it a test of logic instead?

Athenian Democracy does have some merits, though. But like everything else in politics and business, the devil is in the details.
Pilgrim is offline  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 04:41 AM   #18
Senior Member
 
jetson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Adelaide. South Australia.
Posts: 2,259
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
Well boys, I'm waiting.
Hell will freeze over before people take you seriously.
Thanks from Sabcat
jetson is offline  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 06:37 AM   #19
Senior Member
 
Hollywood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Memphis, Tn.
Posts: 15,379
Quote:
Originally Posted by jetson View Post
Hell will freeze over before people take you seriously.
LOL...you're getting sharper kid, only took you two days to come up with that snappy retort.
It would seem certain fools around here have no idea in the world WHY they make certain statements. ...
Hollywood is offline  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 06:52 AM   #20
Senior Member
 
jetson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Adelaide. South Australia.
Posts: 2,259
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
LOL...you're getting sharper kid, only took you two days to come up with that snappy retort.
It would seem certain fools around here have no idea in the world WHY they make certain statements. ...
Two days, I thought it was two seconds, I must be dreaming.
jetson is offline  
Reply

  Defending The Truth Political Forum > Political Forum > Opinion Polls

Tags
athenian, democracy, direct democracy, discussion, government, modern, work, world



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Republicans Have Created a World Where Going to Work Can Get You Killed Mrs. CJ Parker Current Events 4 May 6th, 2013 04:19 PM
I Wonder How This Would Work in the Muslim World... Jefferson Religion 5 May 23rd, 2006 04:28 PM


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed



Copyright © 2005-2013 Defending The Truth. All rights reserved.