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Old September 23rd, 2016, 06:31 PM   #11
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as funny as petition is, is it not a valid point?
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 09:16 PM   #12
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I want the names of all presidents who while in office have campaigned either for themselves or their successor.

No, let's make it easier, a shorter list: I want the names of all presidents who while in office have NOT campaigned either for themselves or their successor.
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Old September 24th, 2016, 12:08 AM   #13
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I want the names of all presidents who while in office have campaigned either for themselves or their successor.

No, let's make it easier, a shorter list: I want the names of all presidents who while in office have NOT campaigned either for themselves or their successor.
Exactly my point, IT!
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[QUOTE=Sabcat;989806]Petition: Cut Obama?s pay while he campaigns for Clinton - Personal Liberty®



YEAH, because this has NEVER--in the history of this country-EVER EVER happened before. No previous president has EVEREVEREVER campaigned for his potential successor. OH WAIT! WHY, YES. They have.

I think the only president who DID NOT campaign for his successor was Dubya. WHY? Because his approval rating was so abysmal the Romney team begged him NOT to campaign. What a great way to leave office....at 22% approval.
And BTW, what exactly is Obama current approval rating?? What was that? I can't hear you! OH yeah....55%+.
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Old September 24th, 2016, 05:41 AM   #15
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I do not recall,until now a sitting President actually going out on the campaign trail to actively campaign for their parties nominee. They usually endorse and show up at a fund raiser or two. Never can I recall an actual out and out on the campaign trail like this.
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Old September 24th, 2016, 06:22 AM   #16
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I do not recall,until now a sitting President actually going out on the campaign trail to actively campaign for their parties nominee. They usually endorse and show up at a fund raiser or two. Never can I recall an actual out and out on the campaign trail like this.
yeah, i don't either. and as much as the super conservatives hated obama from the beginning if that was a common thing i would have expected cowboy bush to be gallivanting about trying to stop him. and as much as the progressives hated jr i would have expected there to be an issue made out of it.
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I want the names of all presidents who while in office have campaigned either for themselves or their successor.

No, let's make it easier, a shorter list: I want the names of all presidents who while in office have NOT campaigned either for themselves or their successor.
You're missing the point! Is he or is he not using taxpayers money on his campaign for Hillary?
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I do not recall,until now a sitting President actually going out on the campaign trail to actively campaign for their parties nominee. They usually endorse and show up at a fund raiser or two. Never can I recall an actual out and out on the campaign trail like this.
Reagan actively campaigned for Bush senior, the Los Angeles Times wrote at the time "He is running so hard it is easy to forget that he, not Bush, is the surrogate."
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Old September 24th, 2016, 07:54 PM   #19
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Reagan actively campaigned for Bush senior, the Los Angeles Times wrote at the time "He is running so hard it is easy to forget that he, not Bush, is the surrogate."
Get ready for an unusual sight: a two-term president on the trail | MSNBC

President Obama Campaigning For Clinton Is Historic. It Hasn't Happened in 100 Years : NPR

Why outgoing presidents stay off the campaign trail - CBS News

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Before becoming the Republican nominee, and eventual president, in 1980, Ronald Reagan challenged Gerald Ford for the Republican nomination in 1976, and while Reagan lost, the challenge probably helped weaken Ford and ensure his eventual defeat to Carter. Ford had also never won a national election; he had been a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, and was appointed to be Nixon's Vice President after Spiro Agnew resigned, and then became president when Nixon resigned in August 1974. Ford served less than 2 full years in office, and there was little Reagan could gain by having Ford play a prominent role in his campaign in 1980, and Ford probably had little interest in doing so.

When Jimmy Carter ran in 1976 and 1980, Lyndon Johnson, the most recent Democratic president, had already died.

When George H.W. Bush was nominated in 1988, he was the sitting Vice President. Reagan did appear at some events with him and gave a high-profile speech at the Republican convention in 1988, but he was 76 and (as we would later learn) in the early stages of Alzheimer's. By 1992, Reagan's health was not good enough to help Bush on the campaign trail in his re-election bid, and he was in his 80s, so the pressure of campaigning would have likely been too much for him anyway.

When Clinton ran in 1992, the Democratic party didn't really want to give Jimmy Carter, an unpopular president who had never really been embraced by party elites, a central role, and no other ex-president from the Democratic party was still alive.

When Bob Dole ran in 1996, a lot of Republicans believed George H.W. Bush had lost to Clinton in '92 because he was not conservative enough. He may have appeared at a few events with Dole but I don't recall him playing a major role.

Then, in 2000... Al Gore's unwillingness to embrace Bill Clinton, an excellent natural campaigner, was a calculated decision by his campaign. Gore was personally angry at Clinton for his public indiscretions in office, and believed that "Clinton Fatigue" was a burden that could pull down his candidacy. But Clinton was very popular in 2000; his approval rating was well over 50%, and would exceed 60% before he left office. So this may have been a very bad decision by Gore.

I believe both Bill and Hillary Clinton played some role campaigning for John Kerry in 2004, but not a major role.

In 2008, of course, Bill Clinton campaigned heavily for his wife. Both he and Hillary did campaign for Obama in 2008 after he won the nomination. Bill Clinton in particular played a large role in 2012, with a prominent speaking role at the 2012 Democratic convention, and he appeared alongside Obama at many campaign events.

One can assume that, if Hillary Clinton is the nominee (as is very likely at this time), she will use Obama similarly to how Obama used her husband, deploying him in states where he remains personally popular, and using him to help mobilize minority voters and young voters who have supported Obama in the past. As the sitting president, he will be given a major speaking role at the 2016 Democratic convention as a matter of courtesy and protocol, and he remains personally very popular among Democrats. Expect him to be part of any effort to boost Democratic turnout in 2016. Bill Clinton will, of course, also campaign for Hillary. This may just make her the first presidential candidate in modern history to have two presidents campaign on her behalf.

Moving forward past 2016, Obama is young enough that, especially if a Democrat wins in 2016, it is likely he will play some role campaigning in future elections.
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Why Obama campaigning for Clinton is unusual ? and historic - Vox
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