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View Poll Results: Is a "Free Market" System Sensible?
Yes 8 53.33%
No 6 40.00%
Other 1 6.67%
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Old January 1st, 2018, 12:47 AM   #91
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I do believe he got upset at me. I am pretty sure it was when I discussed every talking point he was going to throw out. So, as you just noticed, he stopped talking about Social Democracy/Democratic Socialism. He did not even bother to try to demonstrate why they were different than one another. Just got mad, went on some tirade about how great he is in a university somewhere and never actually discussed his economic idea's. Guess I should have acted like I never heard the same ole sales pitch over and over again. I am afraid the strain of it all may be more than the lad can handle.
I'm sure a double major in his STEM field and lesbian basket weaving or whatever certainly would not get upset about having their fragile ideals challenged. We all know that university is a haven of intellectual diversity. Don't forget STEM.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 12:49 AM   #92
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What level of education do you have and from where, that you should assume you are better educated than those with which you are converssing, oh exalted one?
Once again, you missed the point entirely for the same reasons if have discussed with you before (Note: other members of the forum that do not possess your same cognitive biases, blinders, and apparently intellectual insecurities picked up on the relatively basic point(s) I was making--the main one of which has nothing to do with my personal level of education or lack thereof, the other point only concerns education level as it pertains to some basic level of legitimate contact with the Physical Sciences/"Hard Sciences" or other such rigorous academic/intellectual arena, which I used my personal case as anecdotal evidence to this effect). I would encourage you to go back and re-read what I stated, and also our other back-and-forths with this in mind.

As for your question concerning my personal education level, I essentially already stated it (however you really missed what I was driving at--as it is not directly related to my level of formal education). I have first hand experience in both the "Hard Sciences" and Social Science/Humanities. Now, my point is, in STEM there are very rigorous error correcting mechanisms when people misstate definitions, attempt to apply their misunderstanding/misstating of a definition, over generalize, do not correct for their own errors, spew bullsh't or otherwise make specious claims, ect. ect. ect. while the Humanities lacks this essential function (due to the different nature of the topics discussed--as well as cultural differences) that allows people to proceed down trivially wrong paths with near impunity (such as the bs you, guy, and S are peddling at the moment).

There is a serious problem with the abuse of common language where definitions to terms become so infinitely malleable as to be consistent with criteria that are in zero-sum conflict with the original/intended definition of a term (e.i. as though one can claim a circle is a square and vice versa and have that be logically consistent. This is partially explored in George Orwell's Animal Farm with the "Principles of Animalism"). This literally never happens in Mathematics, Physics, and many other areas of Science. NEVER. Particularly Math because the "rules of the game" are all internally constructed thus the need for extremely precise definitions is of the utmost importance. As soon as you drift to the Social Sciences, terminology becomes a lot more vague, and then when your in Humanities it is often egregious, and in popular culture/popular conception it is just mind-numbingly stupid (it can start to get mind-numbly stupid in areas of the Humanities as well). In my view, we pay such a tremendously high price for allowing people not to understand basic/fundamental ideas from the "hard sciences" such as precision of language/terminology and are way to kind about this even in regards to many other academic disciplines.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 12:56 AM   #93
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Thats all well and good long winded gobbledygook that you are tossing around likely wouldn't hold up well in a pool hall or a barroom. The fact of the matter is we are in neither of those places. We are on an anonymous chat rooom.

Now that that has been established would you like to attempt to continue with your premise or do you want to keep chucking shit at the wall hoping something sticks?
You three are unreasonably dense in regards to the matters discussed thus far here, some trends of which are indicative of larger scale/more pervasive problems (particularly justoneman--I don't necessarily want to put Sabcat and guy in the same level grouping), which is actually much of the motivation behind proposing such a model as is submitted/explored in this thread

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Old January 1st, 2018, 01:07 AM   #94
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You three are unreasonably dense (particularly justoneman--I don't necessarily want to put Sabcat and guy in the same level grouping), which is actually much of the motivation behind proposing such a model as is submitted/explored in this thread
So then why all of the posturing. None of that mumbo jumbo would hold up in an actual debate. Why not just address the points instead of whatever it is you think you are posting?
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So then why all of the posturing. None of that mumbo jumbo would hold up in an actual debate. Why not just address the points instead of whatever it is you think you are posting?
Have you even read my posts? You are fundamentally misunderstanding the entirety of the Model submitted even though there is nothing difficult to comprehend about what I have stated thus far (Note: other members have attempted to point this out to you three as well, which appears to be lost on you three). Unless you can indicate basic comprehension of the Motion in place, then there is no further point in discussing this with you three (although I would be happy to proceed with the topic with other members, if they wish)

Also, if you cannot demonstrate basic standards of academic rigor when discussing relevant definitions, than the entire discourse collapses (which is precisely what has happened here, from you three--see my last post for more information on this front)

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Once again, you missed the point entirely for the same reasons if have discussed with you before (Note: other members of the forum that do not possess your same cognitive biases, blinders, and apparently intellectual insecurities picked up on the relatively basic point(s) I was making--the main one of which has nothing to do with my personal level of education or lack thereof, the other point only concerns education level as it pertains to some basic level of legitimate contact with the Physical Sciences/"Hard Sciences" or other such rigorous academic/intellectual arena, which I used my personal case as anecdotal evidence to this effect). I would encourage you to go back and re-read what I stated, and also our other back-and-forths with this in mind.

As for your question concerning my personal education level, I essentially already stated it (however you really missed what I was driving at--as it is not directly related to my level of formal education). I have first hand experience in both the "Hard Sciences" and Social Science/Humanities. Now, my point is, in STEM there are very rigorous error correcting mechanisms when people misstate definitions, attempt to apply their misunderstanding/misstating of a definition, over generalize, do not correct for their own errors, spew bullsh't or otherwise make specious claims, ect. ect. ect. while the Humanities lacks this essential function (due to the different nature of the topics discussed--as well as cultural differences) that allows people to proceed down trivially wrong paths with near impunity (such as the bs you, guy, and S are peddling at the moment).

There is a serious problem with the abuse of common language where definitions to terms become so infinitely malleable as to be consistent with criteria that are in zero-sum conflict with the original/intended definition of a term (e.i. as though one can claim a circle is a square and vice versa and have that be logically consistent. This is partially explored in George Orwell's Animal Farm with the "Principles of Animalism"). This literally never happens in Mathematics, Physics, and many other areas of Science. NEVER. Particularly Math because the "rules of the game" are all internally constructed thus the need for extremely precise definitions is of the utmost importance. As soon as you drift to the Social Sciences, terminology becomes a lot more vague, and then when your in Humanities it is often egregious, and in popular culture/popular conception it is just mind-numbingly stupid (it can start to get mind-numbly stupid in areas of the Humanities as well). In my view, we pay such a tremendously high price for allowing people not to understand basic/fundamental ideas from the "hard sciences" such as precision of language/terminology and are way to kind about this even in regards to many other academic disciplines.
To my simple straight forward question of what is your education level and where did you go to school? You give three stanzas of verbiage and buried in the middle is your non answer: "I have first hand experience in both the "Hard Sciences" and Social Science/Humanities."
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Have you even read my posts? You are fundamentally misunderstanding the entirety of the Model submitted even though there is nothing difficult to comprehend about what I have stated thus far (Note: other members have attempted to point this out to you three as well, which appears to be lost on you three). Unless you can indicate basic comprehension of the Motion in place, then there is no further point in discussing this with you three (although I would be happy to proceed with the topic with other members, if they wish)

Also, if you cannot demonstrate basic standards of academic rigor when discussing relevant definitions, than the entire discourse collapses (which is precisely what has happened here, from you three--see my last post for more information on this front)
Sure have. Thats why i wrote the post you just responded to.

I have come to the conclusion that you dont wish to discuss your ideas that i dont think that you can even explain much less defend. You just want to post longwinded off topic posts as some weird form of mental masturbation.

Good job.
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To my simple straight forward question of what is your education level and where did you go to school? You give three stanzas of verbiage and buried in the middle is your non answer: "I have first hand experience in both the "Hard Sciences" and Social Science/Humanities."
If you don't want to engage in any serious exchange of ideas, but rather surface level conversation, then why even join a forum ostensibly purposed toward higher-level discourse?
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If you don't want to engage in any serious exchange of ideas, but rather surface level conversation, then why even join a forum ostensibly purposed toward higher-level discourse?
When someone who opposes what you are talking about or engages you on the topic, you launch into your "put down" mode and your "look at my education" mode.

Frankly. This idea of intrinsically changing the nature of the US economic system from free market, is crack pot. Its not a serious discussion. When asked to define the means of determining who gets what, you launch into your two modes. There are lots of socialists on this forum and you are one of them. At least the others are straight forward about it and not playing games.
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Sure have. Thats why i wrote the post you just responded to.

I have come to the conclusion that you dont wish to discuss your ideas that i dont think that you can even explain much less defend. You just want to post longwinded off topic posts as some weird form of mental masturbation.

Good job.


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