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View Poll Results: Is a "Free Market" System Sensible?
Yes 9 52.94%
No 6 35.29%
Other 2 11.76%
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Old December 30th, 2017, 09:48 PM   #41
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I did not ask you if it was promoting socialism. I asked you if you liked socialism.
I didn't ask you if you were a Fascist/Nazi/Hitler/White Supremacist/[insert smear]/ect. ect. I asked you if you are opposed to the idea that there are 63+ genders, Neo-Feminism, cis-gender privilege, Affirmative Action, ect. ect. ....

You haven't so much as addressed one point nor made a single argument..
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Old December 30th, 2017, 09:57 PM   #42
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Social Democracy = Fascism.. Got it. Thanks for your "insight"

Notice, this system could potentially apply to de-centralized forms of governance as well, although I do not think that could at all be plausibly implemented given the current climate.
You must address the pricing problem. As you are proposing you seem to be having the state confiscate the means of production and leaving it in the hands of state controlled corporations. This will require a strong, militarized state subjecting the people. Make up whatever pretty little word you like. Sounds like fascism to me.
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Social Democracy = Fascism.. Got it. Thanks for your "insight"

Notice, this system could potentially apply to de-centralized forms of governance as well, although I do not think that could at all be plausibly implemented given the current climate.
Social Democracy? What is the difference between that and Democratic Socialism?
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Old December 31st, 2017, 06:27 AM   #44
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I didn't ask you if you were a Fascist/Nazi/Hitler/White Supremacist/[insert smear]/ect. ect. I asked you if you are opposed to the idea that there are 63+ genders, Neo-Feminism, cis-gender privilege, Affirmative Action, ect. ect. ....
You haven't so much as addressed one point nor made a single argument..
There are two basic chromosome configurations for humans, not 63+.
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Old December 31st, 2017, 07:33 AM   #45
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There are two basic chromosome configurations for humans, not 63+.
That's my point exactly. Try to keep up..
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This actually is not true (as, if it were the case, one would expect it to hold across the board--did you read my example on the path to becoming a Scientist in our current system?). Allow me to elaborate:

What is so interesting about our modern society is that if it were objectively looked at from an outside perspective, it would appear as though the average human is much more knowledgeable/intelligent then we actually are. Really, we are all piggy-backing off of an extreme minority of people and most of those "piggy-backing" are not even cognizant of this dynamic (i.e. they never even think about it, they basically think it is magic and take it for granted--which actually is why we are having this debate here and now. Since most people don't recognize what goes into making a society such as ours function and do not understand who is responsible for all of the "toys" and how it was achieved, they naturally look elsewhere for "importance"/"value". However, I 100% guarantee you if the 1 million top technical researchers/developers/ect. were removed from Earth today, reality would hit the rest of humanity in the face hard as sh't real quick (it wouldn't even take the top 1 million, it is much more like the top 100,000 or so--or less) and would be forced to recognize how incredibly fragile our system since people are trained that it is okay for them to have the worldview of any other Mammal while simultaneously basing society around technology that fundamentally requires a much higher level of knowledge/intelligence to operate/maintain properly/continue progressing.
I've truly enjoyed this thread, and the depth of the discussion.

You got me thinking about "modern society ... objectively looked at from an outside perspective." As long as it's a thought experiment, let's go all the way

What would our modern society look like to a race of beings who somehow had averted self-destruction, a race of beings whose science and technology had given them the option of interstellar travel?

It's very difficult for me to see such a race having a "homeless" problem or to see their having destroyed the ecosystem of their home planet, though I suppose a "Borg" culture could exist; however, I would not want to be a part of it.

How would we look to such a race? In a word, insane. The greatest mass of humanity does, as you said, ride upon the backs of a very few highly skilled and presumably intelligent people, but there is a flip side to that coin.

The earth's upper 10 percent depends heavily upon the "ignorant" masses doing all the dirty work to support the lifestyles of those swilling the champagne of science and technology ... as many of the unprivileged live in what the 10 percent would deem "squalor."

They would see the elite of this planet at war with its biosphere, and for the most part the privileged inhabitants in near-total denial of the war. They would see that humankind is in possession of the scientific and technological capabilities to live in balance with earth's biosphere, yet refuse to do so.

They'd see absolutely no reason for homelessness, or hunger for any of earth's human inhabitants, yet again see that the upper 10 percent has very little interest in eliminating either, rather, the upper 10 percent expends huge amounts of human and material capital on fighting over who sits on the top of the heap.

They'd most likely want nothing to do with this race savage beings whose science and technology was evolving faster than the beings, but they'd probably want to keep an eye on us, so that we didn't spread our disease, put us in a quarantine.

But, they may have seen all this before, and seen that unless cultures such as ours "come to their senses," they self-destruct every single time.
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I didn't ask you if you were a Fascist/Nazi/Hitler/White Supremacist/[insert smear]/ect. ect. I asked you if you are opposed to the idea that there are 63+ genders, Neo-Feminism, cis-gender privilege, Affirmative Action, ect. ect. ....

You haven't so much as addressed one point nor made a single argument..
you are asking me a question here about whether I am opposed to the idea that there are 63 genders, correct?
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you are asking me a question here about whether I am opposed to the idea that there are 63 genders, correct?
Ahhh, postmodernism. Gotta love it.
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Ahhh, postmodernism. Gotta love it.
Yes its a brave new world.

I wanted to understand if the OP believed that there were 63+ genders and if this was part of what the OP believed required income social engineering.
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Old December 31st, 2017, 11:34 AM   #50
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Yes its a brave new world.

I wanted to understand if the OP believed that there were 63+ genders and if this was part of what the OP believed required income social engineering.
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Ahhh, postmodernism. Gotta love it.
Seriously, are you both that dense, or are you simply trolling?

He was being sarcastically hyperbolic. Nothing more needs to be said here. No more dumb questions or comments, please.
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