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View Poll Results: Are Protests the Most Effective Method to Bring About Change in Society?
Yes 2 18.18%
No 9 81.82%
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Old January 7th, 2018, 03:57 AM   #11
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And how is that solidarity achieved? What is happening in the US appears to be complete disintegration. Those who love and those who hate him are the evidence of a serious divide and what we need is someone who can unite us, but I don't think this can happen until we return to education for a strong and united republic. This seriously is about education for logic.
Begin where people are: if they are being ground down and their wages reduced, get into a union, secret if necessary, and as soon as you can, strike, strike, strike. Nobody else will ever 'unite us' - only we can do that. But insist that the union is democratic and that nothing can be done without a proper quorum at all meetings. Teach people not to play the bosses games: they are like gambling - they benefit only the bookies.

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Old January 7th, 2018, 05:44 AM   #12
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"Most Effective", open to debate.
"Effective", definately
Protest works, this world is very different from the world of the 1950's.

So as we develop a world that is more just, more egalitarian, more rational, less superstitious, protest is one of the main drivers of that.
And the rate of change is increasing, and so is the backlash.

There is a longing for the past from the people who find it hard to deal with modernity.
Sometimes it's enough to lock in the reactionary forces for a long time, like in Iran, with it's theocracy, fighting progress, doomed to lose, but when?

To the election of Trump, also doomed to lose, much shorter horizon.

In the long run, there is the trend, but the world goes up and down around the trendline, sometimes appearing to make great progress, quickly and easily, sometimes retrenching and appearing to move backwards.
But never moving back as far as it's moved forward, Trump can't erase all the progress, as much as he tries, this will pass, and we will resume at an even faster rate, the move to the future.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 03:14 AM   #13
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"Most Effective", open to debate.
"Effective", definately
Protest works, this world is very different from the world of the 1950's.

So as we develop a world that is more just, more egalitarian, more rational, less superstitious, protest is one of the main drivers of that.
And the rate of change is increasing, and so is the backlash.

There is a longing for the past from the people who find it hard to deal with modernity.
Sometimes it's enough to lock in the reactionary forces for a long time, like in Iran, with it's theocracy, fighting progress, doomed to lose, but when?

To the election of Trump, also doomed to lose, much shorter horizon.

In the long run, there is the trend, but the world goes up and down around the trendline, sometimes appearing to make great progress, quickly and easily, sometimes retrenching and appearing to move backwards.
But never moving back as far as it's moved forward, Trump can't erase all the progress, as much as he tries, this will pass, and we will resume at an even faster rate, the move to the future.
The racists of the 1950's do it differently now. What has actually changed? It seems to me that the very rich are much more firmly in power, and that the attacks on patriarchy and the casting couch are so far mainly gestures.
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The trouble is, "Protests" are no longer what they were meant to be.

Picketing and voicing your opinion has turned to rioting, looting, and setting cities on fire. And people have fun doing it. It's like a big free-for-all party.
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Oddly, I have been busy writing a book on this very subject. We all have opinions about it, but IMO, the best people to ask are those who tried many different avenues and then found a blueprint for success.

In a famous speech, one man put it succinctly:

"And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation."

Patrick Henry's "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death" Speech : The Colonial Williamsburg Official History & Citizenship Site


There are a lot of options between the ballot box and the bullet box. The problem is, we are morally and legally expected to exhaust all of our non-violent political and legal avenues of redress before resorting to extraordinary measures. Unfortunately, what might be the most effective cannot be considered until you've given everything else a try.
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