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Old January 6th, 2018, 11:11 AM   #31
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This is nullification. Plain and simple.


You guys seriously have no principles.
Absolutism is not a principle. Absolutism is a behavioral anomaly.
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Old January 6th, 2018, 11:25 AM   #32
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Absolutism is not a principle. Absolutism is a behavioral anomaly.
You of all people i find the most amusing with your strict statist principles. Well, up until hillary lost that is, then you flipped your script. Resist. Resist.

Hilarious.


It is no wonder why people are fleeing the democrats in droves.
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Old January 6th, 2018, 11:50 AM   #33
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The point is i openly acknowledge that i do not believe that people in costumes have the right to kidnap people and stick them in cages just because some people in suits signed a piece of paper in some far away place but you guys do. Shit, isn't that how you make your living, chasing down people who the guys in costums dont have the time or resorces to kidnap themselves?

You want to use the federal government when it suits you but if it inconveniences you or god forbid get in between you and your drugs....damnit it just isn't fair. Lol


The fact of.the matter not only is pot only against federal law but it is schedule 1. No medical usefulness what so ever.


That is the federal government for you. They cant even get this right, but hey give them more money and power. Sure. That sounds great.


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Strawman, totally. And talk about intolerant. Not only do people have to see how horrible their government is, they've got to see it exactly the way you do.

I guarantee you that goober and I, and whoever else, "do not believe that people in costumes have the right to kidnap people and stick them in cages just because some people in suits signed a piece of paper in some far away place." Guaranteed.

Other than that, your post borders on flaming, and I'm not interested tonight pumpkin.
Bullshit. There was no straw at all. That point was very valid. Sorry, but attempting to subjugate the lefts lack of principles about an issue that is entwined with states rights is valid and to the core of the discussion.

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Old January 6th, 2018, 11:53 AM   #34
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Great. You are incapable of seeing degrees. You establish a phony litmus test: Either a person is 100 percent against federal laws and regulations, or, the person is a hypocrite.

It's unbelievable that you and your kin have managed to complete your education, held down jobs, married, had children, and still you see the world through black and white glasses. In other words, you don't see the world as it is, a complex interplay of various forces that requires observation and analysis to pick the best way to go forward. Figuring the best way forward takes work.

Nope, in Sabcat's world it's federal laws and regulations bad, always, 100 percent of the time, and any other opinion is hypocritical heresy.

With this attitude bro, you render all your opinions on governance childish at best. Some issues are best handled at the local level, like school boards, some at the state level, like the legality of cannabis, and some at the national level such as the protection of our unalienable, our Ninth and Tenth Amendment rights.

This is reality Sabcat. On a planet inhabited by men and women fully committed to the principle of "Love your neighbor as you love yourself," just about any form of government would work, from democracy to republican to communism, as would no government at all: anarchy.

Presently, human beings are primarily driven on a collective level by fear and greed, on a good day. At this stage of human evolution, government is a necessary evil. It deals with the dark side of human nature.

Calling support of some applications of government while calling opposition to others "hypocrisy" reveals a mind yet to mature, and a refusal to deal with reality as it is.
No, the litmus test that you talk about is rather or not it advances narratives on the political talking point that is within a given political parties platform. I always thought that you would at least be above the collective. I guess not. You try to take the high ground when its convenient and change the rules when you agree with something. When you do not, then that is different and that rule should apply. That rule being what you are against when it applies to you.
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Old January 6th, 2018, 12:05 PM   #35
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What are the reasons why marijuana should be legalized? So far, I've heard nothing that justifies the support of cannabis. If we take a look at other countries that have legalizes it, what have been the ramifications?
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Old January 6th, 2018, 12:24 PM   #36
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Most Americans say YES!!

Roughly six in 10 Americans think marijuana should be legalized, according to a new Pew Research survey.

Sixty-one percent of respondents said the substance should be legal. That is slightly more than the 57 percent that said so a year ago and it is representative of the steady increase in support for legalizing marijuana that has taken shape over the past decade.

Support for legalization was the highest among millennials, at 70 percent, according to the Pew survey. They're followed by Gen Xers, 66 percent of whom support marijuana legalization, and then by Baby Boomers, at 56 percent.

Party affiliation also played a role in support for legalization. Nearly seven in 10 Democrats and 65 percent of independents support legalizing the substance. Among respondents that identify as Republicans, just 43 percent favor legalization.

Republicans under the age of 40, however, largely support legalization 62 percent to 38 percent while Republicans ages 40 to 65 are near-evenly divided on the matter 48 percent favor legalization and 49 percent do not.
Sixty-seven percent of Republicans 65 and older oppose marijuana legalization, according to the Pew survey.

(I find this fascinating because every single senior I know LOVES cocktail hour--every night--5:00 sharp.)
Mary Jane makes most people lazy but gives me a boost. People with high profile jobs never drink until after 5 PM when the cops are out and about.
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Old January 6th, 2018, 12:26 PM   #37
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I prefer asking why should anything, including marijuana, be outlawed in any way? There is no victim (as in a different party, not the person who freely, willingly chooses to inhale something into their own lungs, etc.), and if there's no victim I see no valid reason for making something like that illegal. The state should not be making it their business to get in people's personal lives; it should only exist and intervene in anything when there's a victim (and by "victim", I mean someone who is on the receiving end of being very specifically or directly harmed in some way, such as being murdered, raped, having their property stolen or destroyed, being injured, etc.), or contract dispute brought to them by at least one party involved in a contract; I don't have a problem with fair, reasonable, and simple taxation policies, funding a military for defending the nation, or "muh roads". I don't like having the state sticking its nose into my personal business or anyone else's personal business when there is no victim, and that's exactly what I think the state is doing when they impose a law banning marijuana.

Personally, I don't do anything with marijuana or any other type of recreational substance, other than alcoholic drinks (and I only drink occasionally). I don't even smoke tobacco. I don't even like the idea of inhaling such recreational substances into my lungs in general, probably because as a child I had asthma and breathing problems, and as a result the idea of voluntarily inhaling smoke just seems unappealing to me. Not only do I not use any recreational substances other than alcohol sometimes, I don't even like the idea of taking an aspirin. I drink caffeinated sodas and coffee, I don't mind eating "junk" foods and desserts, and that (and some alcohol) is the extent of how bad my diet/health/nutritional habits are.

So my point is not that I don't have a dog in this fight, but that it isn't me wanting to smoke a doobie. The dog I do have in this fight is a matter of principle to do with our rights and what the government should or shouldn't be able to ban - and maybe also this dawg:

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Old January 6th, 2018, 12:27 PM   #38
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I prefer asking why should anything, including marijuana, be outlawed in any way? There is no victim (as in a different party, not the person who freely, willingly chooses to inhale something into their own lungs, etc.), and if there's no victim I see no valid reason for making something like that illegal. The state should not be making it their business to get in people's personal lives; it should only exist and intervene in anything when there's a victim (and by "victim", I mean someone who is on the receiving end of being harmed in some way, such as being murdered, raped, having their property stolen or destroyed, being injured, etc.), or contract dispute brought to them by at least one party involved in a contract; I don't have a problem with fair, reasonable, and simple taxation policies, funding a military for defending the nation, or "muh roads". I don't like having the state sticking its nose into my personal business or anyone else's personal business when there is no victim, and that's exactly what I think the state is doing when they impose a law banning marijuana.

Personally, I don't do anything with marijuana or any other type of recreational substance, other than alcoholic drinks (and I only drink occasionally). I don't even smoke tobacco. I don't even like the idea of inhaling such recreational substances into my lungs in general, probably because as a child I had asthma and breathing problems, and as a result the idea of voluntarily inhaling smoke is unappealing to me. Not only do I not use any recreational substances other than alcohol sometimes, I don't even like the idea of taking an aspirin. I drink caffeinated sodas and coffee, I don't mind eating "junk" foods and desserts, and that (and some alcohol) is the extent of how bad my diet/health/nutritional habits are.

So my point is not that I don't have a dog in this fight, but that it isn't me wanting to smoke a doobie. The dog I do have in this fight is a matter of principle to do with our rights and what the government should or shouldn't be able to ban - and maybe also this dawg:

Twitter pics do not work on here, or virtually anywhere for that matter.
I generally agree with you.

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Old January 6th, 2018, 12:28 PM   #39
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What are the reasons why marijuana should be legalized? So far, I've heard nothing that justifies the support of cannabis. If we take a look at other countries that have legalizes it, what have been the ramifications?
How about this

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

We spend BILLIONS of dollars each year arresting, prosecuting and imprisoning people over a substance that is less lethal, less harmful, and has a lesser impact on society in general than ALCOHOL which is legal !!

I firmly believe the ONLY reason pot is still illegal is they can't figure out how to tax it !!
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Old January 6th, 2018, 12:35 PM   #40
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I think the most reasonable thing for the government to do with marijuana is "legalize" it (personally I don't see how or why the state is able to outlaw or ban it given that a constitutional amendment was needed to be able to outlaw or ban alcohol - why the inconsistency?) and "regulate" it in the same manner they do with alcohol and tobacco.
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