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View Poll Results: What makes us act the way we do?
Anonymity 6 50.00%
We are just like it in real life 2 16.67%
Other 4 33.33%
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Old February 7th, 2018, 10:33 AM   #31
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Some people strike a good balance, some are just nasty. I call them web jockeys. The make jokes about others, they insult and disparage. May be they don't have the courage to speak up in real life, so they hide behind the screen playing tough guy.
It's been bugging me for a while. Seems to be getting worse, all that hating on each other just because. Sad.
I have to admit sometimes I can not resist the urge to poke fun at what someone says. A sense of humor is very important. Here is an example of slamming people and how to laugh at what was said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv4OMsTUptA
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Old February 9th, 2018, 08:39 AM   #32
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Lost our humanity? Well, I think you are stretching the truth JUST a bit. AND what do you mean by lately?? If we HAVE lost our humanity, it happened at least 9 years ago--when Barack Obama was elected because that's when things WENT SOUTH quickly.
We certainly didn't agree with ALL of the GWBush policies, including the war, but after 9/11 this nation DID come together, even if for a short time. We held on to our humanity then. We mourned together. We honored our grieving families. We prayed together and tried to support those in need. So, when exactly did we lose our humanity? Who should shoulder the blame??
I do like that phrase - & given that candidate & then Pres. Nixon (I believe it was) was the first to court the conservative South, which mostly lapped up the attention, & then over the course of decades, ate the elephant, one bit/e @ a time - it's a very fitting metaphor.

Trump, I believe, is going to play the role of Louis XIV @ the French Revolution - after him, the deluge. I fully expect that the GOP will disband, becoming the internationalist party & the religious/social conservative party. I doubt that the two will ever overlap again - the internationalists are - IMO - appalled @ what's happened to what used to be safely & permanently (they thought) their party.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 08:45 AM   #33
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Old February 9th, 2018, 08:50 AM   #34
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Are you talking about a Nazi march? Come on get real. You know that is just a small group of nuts right? I am talking about people around you in everyday life. In the office. At the school. Liberals openly slam the sitting Republican Bush and Trump. Conservatives around you at your work etc. just kept quiet about Obama. If they talked about him it was quietly to someone they know. It is a very noticed dynamic.
Sure, I'll ask: Is Trump a Republican? Is he even a (political) conservative? I think that's two Negatives, in the superlative.

As far as I can tell, Trump is merely a rent-seeker - either for himself directly, or for what he imagines to be his life's work, building up his corporation to be the biggest & baddest in the hospitality/gambling/real estate speculation biz. TMK, Trump is merely riding the GOP like the willing minions they seem to have turned out to be. In order to maintain control, they've quite willing to abase themselves to Trump's apparent mandate.

He engages in war on behalf of his corporation & certainly on behalf of his own amour propre - the only kind I detect in Trump, but I'll grant that I only see him @ a great distance & through the refractive lenses of the mass media. It's hard to tell what's real & what isn't through those vari-colored lenses.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 08:59 AM   #35
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Sure, I'll ask: Is Trump a Republican? Is he even a (political) conservative? I think that's two Negatives, in the superlative.

As far as I can tell, Trump is merely a rent-seeker - either for himself directly, or for what he imagines to be his life's work, building up his corporation to be the biggest & baddest in the hospitality/gambling/real estate speculation biz. TMK, Trump is merely riding the GOP like the willing minions they seem to have turned out to be. In order to maintain control, they've quite willing to abase themselves to Trump's apparent mandate.

He engages in war on behalf of his corporation & certainly on behalf of his own amour propre - the only kind I detect in Trump, but I'll grant that I only see him @ a great distance & through the refractive lenses of the mass media. It's hard to tell what's real & what isn't through those vari-colored lenses.
This thread is not about Trump. It is about how we the members react to each other on opposite sides of the political aisle.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 09:11 AM   #36
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It's been brewing and encouraged by pols on both sides of the aisle.

To your point re: DJT: You are exactly right. He's unique in the procession of presidents beginning with Eisenhower whom I've witnessed during my long life.

But his election didn't occur in a vacuum. Having a President DJT is a result, not a cause.
I beg to differ. Trump's election is @ least partly a result of the absolute vacuum in political reporting in the mass media in the US. Because actual reporting is messy & contentious & difficult, the suits with the nice corporate views declined to cover the election - instead, they converted the primaries & caucuses & general into horse races, & backed the flashiest horse they could find: candidate Trump. Oh, not overtly, to be sure.

But anything & everything that cand. Trump said, misspoke, emoted, shouted, Tweeted & etc. was fodder for the grist mills that coverage has become. Instead of looking into the backgrounds & histories of the candidates, we got to look @ what their handlers thought were the most appealing views of them.

If Trump partially rode into power as the little guy who will stand up to the media moguls, they have only their piss-poor coverage to blame for that part of it.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 09:29 AM   #37
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And that Bubba, that is exactly what is wrong with ending the education for good moral judgment that we had and replacing it with education for technology and leaving moral education to the church! We now have the reactionary politics that destroyed Germany and put Hitler in office. I wish I could figure out how to say this in a way that got people's attention and changed what we talk about so that we could resolve the problem we created!

A good understanding of logic prevents the Christian problem without destroying faith in Christianity. A good understanding of logic, simply makes us all question what we believe is so, and opens us to the opinions of others. We realize how arrogant it is to believe we can know absolute, unquestionable truth and hold the opinion that we should kill in the name of our Lord.
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And that Bubba, that is exactly what is wrong with ending the education for good moral judgment that we had and replacing it with education for technology and leaving moral education to the church! We now have the reactionary politics that destroyed Germany and put Hitler in office. I wish I could figure out how to say this in a way that got people's attention and changed what we talk about so that we could resolve the problem we created!

A good understanding of logic prevents the Christian problem without destroying faith in Christianity. A good understanding of logic, simply makes us all question what we believe is so, and opens us to the opinions of others. We realize how arrogant it is to believe we can know absolute, unquestionable truth and hold the opinion that we should kill in the name of our Lord.

That's exactly WHY I post that meme from time to time. It PERFECTLY explains the positions many on the right stake out, and more importantly WHY they refuse to compromise. Not saying the left is without blame, but it seems to me the right, specially the far right has become increasingly recalcitrant. They just won't budge. They say it's our way or the highway. I've watched over the last few years as they've even gone so far to as to shoot down legislation they had worked on for years. Ideas that were first floated by the GOP were now non-starters because some democrat, especially Obama, was supporting the idea.

Obamacare is a good example. The original idea was first proposed by the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation. It was first put in practice by Romney, a Republican, in Massachusetts. But when proposed in D.C by Obama and the Democrats it was AWWWWW HEEELLLLL NAAAWWWWWWWWWW, we ain't supporting that !!!

Even now as Ryan and McConnell are working with minority leadership on things like keeping the government open, there are voices in their own party calling them traitors and RINO. At some point there HAS to be compromise. I think McConnell said something to the effect of "no one is happy with this deal but it's a deal we call be proud of".
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Old February 9th, 2018, 01:54 PM   #39
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This thread is not about Trump. It is about how we the members react to each other on opposite sides of the political aisle.
Yah. Only in the US - TMK - are there only two sides, & it's defined as an aisle. But sure, I take the point.

First of all, the US needs to decide if we want a free press or not. Formally, there are Constitutional guarantees to that end. In the market, though, radio & TV & other electronic licenses sharply limit who can get into Show Biz. Print mass media are dying in any event, & I don't think there's anything effective we can do about that.

The absolute poverty of political discussion in the US has to do with the poor coverage that politics gets in the mass media. The mass media treat politics just like any other team sport - with leagues & dark horses, full media blitzes, cheerleaders, spokesthings, book deals, agents - the only thing we're truly lacking is the minimally dressed pneumatic young lady parading around the ring between rounds, holding up the ordinal of the upcoming round.

My thought - we should dispense with all the current apparatus of the campaign - the sponsored debates & endless ad campaigns, the massive TV & radio buys, movies, documentaries, puff pieces, attack ads & on & on. Yah, the campaigns can still have phone banks & get-out-the-vote efforts. But the TV & radio stations in the markets serving the district should cough up free air time (as part of their cost of doing business – in return for getting to print money during the campaigns).

We might consider reducing the duration of the primaries & etc. – except that a good grueling campaign is a test of the candidate’s stamina & his/her ability to pick good people – which is something we want to know they can do. When candidates can go short of sleep, under stress, eating bad food, sleeping where they can catch naps, kissing babies, & still absorb policy & emit coherent policy – we’ll know that those bases, @ least, are covered.

All the debates should be among the candidates themselves, no notes, no panels asking questions. Set broad parameters – domestic policy, trade, military policy & foreign affairs. & let the candidates have @ each other – last man or woman standing wins.

The problem with how the partisans of the various candidates & parties interact – is that we don’t get much information out of the mainstream media. They were more concerned (my opinion) about keeping Trump in the race because it was good for their ad sales & audience stats – not because Trump was actually saying anything of note. & in turning the klieg lights on Trump, we never got detail on any of the other candidates (nor on Trump himself, surprisingly). I assume that other candidates were better qualified than Trump, had better resumes, & temperaments. But I take that on faith, because the mass media were counting beans & declaring that Trump was making them rich, & they wanted to get richer.

A rational goal, until you burn down the house in order to see better. So – with better & more complete & rational reporting – the partisans wouldn’t have to rely on their gut feelings to articulate why they want a given candidate. More light & less heat might bring us all back to considering the good of the entire polity, instead of just my side v. your side.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 02:08 PM   #40
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And that Bubba, that is exactly what is wrong with ending the education for good moral judgment that we had and replacing it with education for technology and leaving moral education to the church! We now have the reactionary politics that destroyed Germany and put Hitler in office. I wish I could figure out how to say this in a way that got people's attention and changed what we talk about so that we could resolve the problem we created!

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A good education in civics would help with the ethics of representative government, & the good of the polity coming before the good of the individual. We have to get @ the tradeoffs that are involved there, & why choices can go one way or the other.

Germany after WWI had suffered massive casualties - military & civilian, & damage to infrastructure, crops, buildings, industry. The Treaty of Versailles was punitive (the Allies withheld relief food shipments to Germany & Austria - cruelly needed) until the Weimar government was pushed forward by the German high command & military & Kaiser to fall on the sword. My opinion, Weimar should have refused, & made the military & Kaiser sign off themselves - they mobilized Germany in the first place, apparently not understanding that mobilization meant Germany was committed to a preemptive attack in the West.

So, we in the US aren't in that desperate a situation. But bad choices will start piling up on us, if we don't begin to address the crucial problems that face us now & in the immediate future. & the later we begin to address the real problems, the more heroic the efforts that will be required to make a dent in those problems.
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