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Pretty good! Lot's of material work with. 3 75.00%
None! Quit Putin us on. A classy guy wouldn't do such a thing. 1 25.00%
Whose this Putin guy? 0 0%
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Old March 18th, 2018, 04:09 PM   #11
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Escapes me? I understand bias reasonably well. I see it here all the time. I hear about it all the time via all modes of communication. In certain instances i experience it first hand from time to time in real life. It effects both sides and pushes out regular folk from the process of our governance. I thank all extremists of both sides very little for the pushing out of regular folks from their involvement of being governed. I thank them not all, from both sides, for being ignorant tools of the recently reelected Putin and his new mandate too keep fucking with us and our allies.

But this isn't about your disdain for me and my simple query in trying to "spark a discussion". How you read this as my support for Trump or ignoring his faults, however, does escape me. Or, rather... I want it to escape me because i don't want to think less of you, not that you or anyone else here gives a rats ass what i think. But honor, truth and character means a lot to me.
Your response was simply mind boggling. How did I show disdain for you ? I merely pointed out that the right wing has been pushing grievance politics for 3 decades and asked “where the hell you have been ?” I never suggested in my response that you supported Chump either. To give Putin credit for something that has been engineered in this country for 3 decades totally misses the political reality on the ground. If anything, like Chump, Putin is merely striking the match on a fuel soaked country. The fuel was already provided domestically.

I have noticed in the past couple of weeks that the right wing has been pushing this very same talking point. (No, this doesn’t mean that I am calling you right wing). They seem to have run out of excuses for the incindiary rhetoric of their Dear Leader. So now I have heard right wing media starting to point the finger at Putin as a way of deflecting away from Chump. This will not succeed.

On DTT, the Democrats global message has been that the advent of right wing media platforms in the internet age has purposefully ratcheted up the incindiary rhetoric to achieve high ratings and financial returns. That has been our global message. Even IT, a Libertarian, has cited this powder keg atmosphere for years and has warned of a potential for a civil war.

We just disagree on the timeframe. I say that Putin and Chump recognized this division and simply exploit it. They did not create it. Like leveraging a business acquisition by way of junk bonds, Chump leveraged this division to reap a return he could have never achieved in the absence of such perverted leverage. The groundwork was already laid, Chump and Putin are merely putting match to an already fuel soaked country IMO.
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So that's a no then.
Cam has a point. Putin is just another Fox and Friend. He could beat Hannity and Limbaugh in talk radio ratings.
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Old March 18th, 2018, 05:25 PM   #13
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Escapes me? I understand bias reasonably well. I see it here all the time. I hear about it all the time via all modes of communication. In certain instances i experience it first hand from time to time in real life. It effects both sides and pushes out regular folk from the process of our governance. I thank all extremists of both sides very little for the pushing out of regular folks from their involvement of being governed. I thank them not all, from both sides, for being ignorant tools of the recently reelected Putin and his new mandate too keep fucking with us and our allies.

But this isn't about your disdain for me and my simple query in trying to "spark a discussion". How you read this as my support for Trump or ignoring his faults, however, does escape me. Or, rather... I want it to escape me because i don't want to think less of you, not that you or anyone else here gives a rats ass what i think. But honor, truth and character means a lot to me.
I give a rat's ass what you think.....
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Old March 18th, 2018, 05:37 PM   #14
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Your response was simply mind boggling. How did I show disdain for you ? I merely pointed out that the right wing has been pushing grievance politics for 3 decades and asked “where the hell you have been ?” I never suggested in my response that you supported Chump either. To give Putin credit for something that has been engineered in this country for 3 decades totally misses the political reality on the ground. If anything, like Chump, Putin is merely striking the match on a fuel soaked country. The fuel was already provided domestically.

I have noticed in the past couple of weeks that the right wing has been pushing this very same talking point. (No, this doesn’t mean that I am calling you right wing). They seem to have run out of excuses for the incindiary rhetoric of their Dear Leader. So now I have heard right wing media starting to point the finger at Putin as a way of deflecting away from Chump. This will not succeed.

On DTT, the Democrats global message has been that the advent of right wing media platforms in the internet age has purposefully ratcheted up the incindiary rhetoric to achieve high ratings and financial returns. That has been our global message. Even IT, a Libertarian, has cited this powder keg atmosphere for years and has warned of a potential for a civil war.

We just disagree on the timeframe. I say that Putin and Chump recognized this division and simply exploit it. They did not create it. Like leveraging a business acquisition by way of junk bonds, Chump leveraged this division to reap a return he could have never achieved in the absence of such perverted leverage. The groundwork was already laid, Chump and Putin are merely putting match to an already fuel soaked country IMO.
I am sorta a small-l libertarian, but mostly I side with anyone who makes sense.

Three decades? Imho, the groundwork began with the arrival of the Moral Majority, born 1979.

Once a portion of the GOP really believed that Gawd was on their side, that was the beginning of the end of our democratic republic. Today, I'd gamble that a big majority of the GOP believes Gawd is on their side, Jeeeezus too.

If Gawd and Jeeeezus is on the GOP's side, then by default Satan is on the D's side.

Gawd and Jeeeezus do not compromise with Satan, and neither does the GOP. Thus, the beginning of the end of our Republic.
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Old March 18th, 2018, 07:23 PM   #15
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What's with the poll questions?? They're weird and make no sense.
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It's an amalgam of our discussions on this issue.

If you think this is weird and nonsensical, then a similar amalgam of our political discussions is similar to an out of body trip with a lay over in hell.
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It's an amalgam of our discussions on this issue.

If you think this is weird and nonsensical, then a similar amalgam of our political discussions is similar to an out of body trip with a lay over in hell.

No, I understand you want a political discussion about Putin--which is fine--although we've done it a hundred times. That's not what I was asking. Here are your questions:

Putin causing divisions within the US
Pretty good! Lot's of material work with. Huh?? Is this an art project?

None! Quit Putin us on. A classy guy wouldn't do such a thing. Quit Putin us on? What does that even mean? Classy guy? A KGB thug, dictator and murderer?

Whose this Putin guy? Do you mean WHO IS this Putin guy? Are you implying that we don't know who Putin is?
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Old March 19th, 2018, 08:21 AM   #17
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No, I understand you want a political discussion about Putin--which is fine--although we've done it a hundred times. That's not what I was asking. Here are your questions:

Putin causing divisions within the US
Pretty good! Lot's of material work with. Huh?? Is this an art project?

None! Quit Putin us on. A classy guy wouldn't do such a thing. Quit Putin us on? What does that even mean? Classy guy? A KGB thug, dictator and murderer?

Whose this Putin guy? Do you mean WHO IS this Putin guy? Are you implying that we don't know who Putin is?
I was being playful with sarcasm, amalgams and puns. The last one, believe it or not, there are a few people out there who don't pay attention to issues concerning Russia, i was thinking of them.
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Old March 19th, 2018, 08:24 AM   #18
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I was being playful with sarcasm, amalgams and puns. The last one, believe it or not, there are a few people out there who don't pay attention to issues concerning Russia, i was thinking of them.


Okay--thanks. I get it now. I think there are some really evil, vicious people in this world.
Putin is one of them.
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