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View Poll Results: Was Muhammad Ali right to refuse Army induction?
Yes 8 57.14%
Not 4 28.57%
Other 2 14.29%
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Old April 8th, 2018, 11:06 AM   #1
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Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction

"On April 28, 1967, boxing champion Muhammad Ali refuses to be inducted into the U.S. Army and is immediately stripped of his heavyweight title. Ali, a Muslim, cited religious reasons for his decision to forgo military service.

Born Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr., in Louisville, Kentucky, on January 14, 1942, the future three-time world champ changed his name to Muhammad Ali in 1964 after converting to Islam. He scored a gold medal at the 1960 Olympic Games in Rome and made his professional boxing debut against Tunney Husaker on October 29, 1960, winning the bout in six rounds. On February 25, 1964, he defeated the heavily favored bruiser Sonny Liston in six rounds to become heavyweight champ.

On April 28, 1967, with the United States at war in Vietnam, Ali refused to be inducted into the armed forces, saying “I ain’t got no quarrel with those Vietcong.” On June 20, 1967, Ali was convicted of draft evasion, sentenced to five years in prison, fined $10,000 and banned from boxing for three years. He stayed out of prison as his case was appealed and returned to the ring on October 26, 1970, knocking out Jerry Quarry in Atlanta in the third round. On March 8, 1971, Ali fought Joe Frazier in the “Fight of the Century” and lost after 15 rounds, the first loss of his professional boxing career. On June 28 of that same year, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned his conviction for evading the draft." -History.com

See this article:

https://www.theatlantic.com/news/arc...ietnam/485717/

Consider, these videos of Ali:

A. Muhammad Ali Refuses Army Induction in 1967 Video - ABC News
B. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd9aIamXjQI
C. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeFMyrWlZ68
D. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JDM4MY71G4

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Old April 8th, 2018, 11:54 AM   #2
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No question whatsoever, he did the right thing.
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Old April 8th, 2018, 12:18 PM   #3
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The communists were rolling tanks into eastern european countries left and right for over a decade, turning countries into communist puppet dictatorships. While the war in Vietnam was conducted in a stupid way, it did not make the point of it invalid. It can be said that the line in the sand that the war there was, stopped further soviet invasions into still more countries. It is not up to those drafted to decide to not participate. The law is the law for all.
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The communists were rolling tanks into eastern european countries left and right for over a decade, turning countries into communist puppet dictatorships. While the war in Vietnam was conducted in a stupid way, it did not make the point of it invalid. It can be said that the line in the sand that the war there was, stopped further soviet invasions into still more countries. It is not up to those drafted to decide to not participate. The law is the law for all.
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Interesting. Now, irrespective of the justness (or injustice) of the war itself--what do you make of Ali's arguments concerning being treated as a second-class citizen at home, and therefore refusing to be used as a 'pawn'?
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Old April 8th, 2018, 12:43 PM   #5
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Interesting. Now, irrespective of the justness (or injustice) of the war itself--what do you make of Ali's arguments concerning being treated as a second-class citizen at home, and therefore refusing to be used as a 'pawn'?
If i may, being who he was and famous, at least he was no Private Eddie Slovak.
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The communists were rolling tanks into eastern european countries left and right for over a decade, turning countries into communist puppet dictatorships. While the war in Vietnam was conducted in a stupid way, it did not make the point of it invalid. It can be said that the line in the sand that the war there was, stopped further soviet invasions into still more countries. It is not up to those drafted to decide to not participate. The law is the law for all.
South-east Asia is not eastern Europe.
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Old April 8th, 2018, 07:17 PM   #7
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South-east Asia is not eastern Europe.
No shit Sherlock. Russia and China were poised to expand Communist totalitarianism Through out Asia. Korea was split in half and the poor people of North Korea were plunged into hell. Ali is no hero.
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The communists were rolling tanks into eastern european countries left and right for over a decade, turning countries into communist puppet dictatorships. While the war in Vietnam was conducted in a stupid way, it did not make the point of it invalid. It can be said that the line in the sand that the war there was, stopped further soviet invasions into still more countries. It is not up to those drafted to decide to not participate. The law is the law for all.

Communist tanks moved into Western Europe in 1944 and 1945. They just didn't know they were working for them in the end of all things.

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Well, we know who won the war, the communist got our schools.

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No shit Sherlock. Russia and China were poised to expand Communist totalitarianism Through out Asia. Korea was split in half and the poor people of North Korea were plunged into hell. Ali is no hero.
You are like a government programmed robot. What a bunch of crap your 50 year old talking point is.
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