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Old October 21st, 2015, 01:46 PM   #1
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Changing the Bible

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NEW AGE VERSIONS, FLUID BIBLES

The New Age Movement has impacted modern Bible translations and has given us New Age Versions of the Bible. Three of these are the NIV, NASB and The Message paraphrase. Using these many translations is doing nothing but making a "fluid" Bible, which is like water. It will take on the form of whatever it is put into. A New Age Bible is developing which can be used by all religions (even non-Christians). It is so fluid that it can be taken many different ways. The New Age Movement, by using these different translations, has even infiltrated most of Evangelical Christianity. It has SLOWLY BEEN CHANGING THE BIBLE AND ITS DOCTRINES TO LINE UP WITH the "One World" movement, the "New World Order".

THESE NEW TRANSLATIONS ARE GETTING THE APOSTATE CHURCH READY to accept the Antichrist, the Mark of the Beast, his Image, and the anti-Christ's religion, Satanism. 2 Thesselonians 2:3 The proliferation of so many translations of the Bible has done more to change the teachings of Christ than any other thing.

Some who worked on the NIV admitted that the translators own beliefs influenced their work.One quote from Palmer, the manager of the NIV translation, said that "the common error in the KJV was, namely that regeneration depends upon faith...and that in order to be Born Again, man must accept Jesus as his Savior". If the manager of the NIV translation project has such an objection regarding "The Born Again" experience, how is his translation going to be untainted by his view? We know that many so called "Christian" denominations do not believe in being born again.

UNSUSPECTING CHRISTIANS

Despite the facts that many of these versions are based on corrupt texts, they are continually being sold to unsuspecting Christians in Christian bookstores. Accuracy is totally ignored as long as they will sell and make money for the retailer.

THE INTEGRITY OF THE BIBLE AND IT'S INFALLIBILITY IS THE MAIN ISSUE FOR CHRISTIANS. OTHERWISE, HOW COULD ONE EVER BELIEVE IT? MANY VITAL ISSUES ABOUT MORALITY, ETERNITY, AND THE PROMISES OF GOD ARE AT STAKE.

The reason this issue is so critical is that without the Bible's integrity it is impossible to establish Bible doctrine and truth.

There are "favorite Word" people who attach themselves to certain scriptures, and either ignore or reject other scriptures. If, as they say, certain scriptures are not accurate, how do we know which scriptures are true? On that premise, John 3:16, the foundation for salvation may not be true. How can we know that the promises for healing and blessing are accurate? What if those scriptures were not translated correctly? The Bible is the only foundation we have to know about Jesus; salvation; and heaven. When faith in the Bible has been shaken, the foundation of our faith has crumbled. "Doctrines of devils"(1 Timothy 4:1) can then easily take the place of the doctrines of the Bible. Many who believe the Bible is full of errors particularly target the King James Version. No version has been attacked more than the KJV. The biggest assault on the KJV comes from inside Christianity. Is this attack justified? WHY SHOULD WE TRUST THE KING JAMES VERSION ( KJV
White evangelicals getting ready to rewrite the Bible. Again.

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Imagine that you had written yourself such a time-capsule letter back in 1973. Imagine you had taken a copy of the Southern Baptist Press news bulletin and enclosed it in an envelope mailed to yourself with the instruction, “To Be Opened and Read on January 31, 1983.”

Ten years later, watching President Reagan and Jerry Falwell on the nightly news, you would have unsealed the envelope and read these inconceivably strange words:

WASHINGTON (BP) — The U.S. Supreme Court, in a 7-2 decision that overturned a Texas law which denied a woman the right of abortion except to save her life, has advanced the cause of religious liberty, human equality and justice.

What? That’s impossible. That’s madness. Everyone knows that evangelicals are adamantly opposed to legal abortion. Everyone knows that evangelicals have always been adamantly opposed to legal abortion.

You would have been bewildered to see your own handwriting there on the page, a message to yourself written 10 years earlier: “It is January, 1973, and most American evangelicals believe that abortion should be legal.” You would have had a very hard time accepting that you could ever have written such a thing — that anyone could ever have written such a thing. How could it be that the central defining characteristic of American evangelicalism was less than a decade old? And even stranger: How could it be that such a radical, sweeping transformation in evangelical identity had occurred without anyone remembering it happening?

But it did happen. And that transformation was so sweeping and so radical that evangelicals didn’t just rewrite their own history, they rewrote the Bible. They changed the words of the Bible to change the meaning of the Bible:

Wycliffe and the majority of English translators who followed him all read this verse the way that it had been read for centuries before there ever existed such a thing as the English language into which it could be translated. … They translated it to mean what it had long been understood to mean, and in the only way that it makes sense to translate it in the context of the rest of this chapter.

The New American Standard Bible translated this passage that same way up until 1977. But something changed between 1977 and 1995 — something that had nothing to do with scholarship, language, accuracy, fidelity or readability.

American politics had changed between 1977 and 1995. It had polarized and radicalized millions of American Protestants, rallying them around a single issue and thus, as intended, rallying them behind a single political party.

In 1977, the sort of American Protestants who purchased most Bibles couldn’t be summed up in a single word. But by 1995, they could be: “abortion.”

And for anti-abortion American evangelicals, Exodus 21:12-27 was unacceptable. It suggested that striking and killing an unborn fetus was in a separate category from striking and killing a “person.” Strike and kill a free person, you get the death penalty. Strike and kill an unborn fetus, you get a fine.

And so in 1995, like those earlier translators who invented and inserted “Junias,” the translators of the NASB reshaped this passage. “She has a miscarriage, yet there is not further injury” would, in consideration of the changes in American politics since 1977, henceforth be transformed into “she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury.”

Politics — specifically, the political desire to control women — shaped the translation of that text. The translators changed the words of the Bible to make it seem like it supported their political agenda. They changed the words of the Bible so that others reading it would not be able to see that its actual words challenged and contradicted their political agenda.

It has happened before and, as Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux shows, it is happening again. History will, again, be rewritten. The Bible will, again, be rewritten.
Southern Baptist created themselves a NEW religion...filled with hatred and divisiveness and fear mongering.
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Funniest line in the OP:
And for anti-abortion American evangelicals, Exodus 21:12-27 was unacceptable. It suggested that striking and killing an unborn fetus was in a separate category from striking and killing a “person.” Strike and kill a free person, you get the death penalty. Strike and kill an unborn fetus, you get a fine.
I wonder if Exodus 21:12-27 has ever been run up the flagpole here before? I am going with yes.
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I want longwind to point out where the God of the rich is in the NIV.
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I want longwind to point out where the God of the rich is in the NIV.
It's defended all over by the preacher men and their pick and choose priorities in the bible.

https://work4christ.wordpress.com/20...oves-the-rich/

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GOD LOVES THE RICH!

“Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.” (1 Timothy 6:17, NIV)

Wealthy

The Church often implies, perhaps unintentionally, that God despises rich people and that success is something Christians don’t handle very well. As part of the Church, we should correct this type of teaching.

There are dangers that result from the improper handling of wealth. Jesus did not approve of the rich man who dressed in purple and fine linen and refused to share with Lazarus (see Luke 16:19-31). Paul admonished wealthy Christians not to put their hope in riches but to be generous and ready to share (see 1 Timothy 6:17-19). James rebuked greedy rich people who sat on their wealth while their workers’ wages went unpaid (see James 5:1-6). But these cases do not condemn rich people – they simply point out that their wealth has been mishandled.

So how does God feel about the rich?

The Bible unequivocally declares, “God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” (John 3:16, NIV) The two words “world” and “whoever” are inclusive. God loves everybody and does not discriminate against anyone based on race, gender, or social status.

Unfortunately, when it comes to the social divide between the rich and the poor, the Church often exhibits a negative bias toward the rich. This is clearly seen in missionary priorities. The church that sends missionaries to a tiny group in the Dominican Republic will rarely consider sending missionaries to the thousands of “lost souls” living in Monaco, Sweden, or even Beverly Hills. This has resulted in a faulty set of priorities, because people in wealthy nations are just as lost as those living in the Third World.
roflmao.....

What a distortion of Christianity.

Here, too:

Brainwashing, Mind Control, Indoctrination, Oppression, Intimidation, Legalism, False Teaching, and Bondage in the Christian Church.

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f you hear a pastor or television evangelist say, "God told me to tell you," hold onto your wallet and run. These are the modern-day money changers similar to those who Jesus threw out of the temple.

The modern Christian churches use brainwashing, mind control, indoctrination, oppression, coercion, intimidation, legalism, false teaching, guilt, shame, peer pressure, and other bondage techniques to control members, increase church attendance, and obtain more money. The goal is said to be "winning souls to Christ," but the underlying agenda is the desire for more power, control, and money. These mind control and bondage techniques are not needed to win souls to Christ. In fact, they are very counter productive to soul winning.

Matthew 23:4 "For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 "But all their works they do to be seen by men."

Matthew 23:15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

The focus on money in the church is easily seen by reading the website for the church, TV, or radio ministry. The typical website has information for ordering books, tapes, videos, and other materials from their online store. They may have tricky methods to encourage the visitor to give money. They talk more about money than about God, Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit. Rarely do any of these churches present a clear or correct gospel message on their website, radio, or TV program. They use special presentations to entice the visitor to give his money, such as:

Pledge online. Taking an oath is forbidden in Scripture.

A panic plea to give now in order to keep us on the radio, TV, or whatever.

Help a poor starving child in some distant land. The child is shown with flies on his face.

Support our new building program, new TV studio, or whatever.

Mail us your prayer request. They are really looking for your check and will throw the prayer request away.

Join our tour of the Holy Land. They are really getting a free trip themselves plus making a profit.

Special offers. They know you are more likely to send money if you get a little something in return.

The number of church members is directly proportional to the church budget. Getting more new members means getting more money. Money is the prime motivation in Christian churches today. You most likely will not see the gospel printed in the Sunday bulletin, but you will see something about paying your tithing, the church budget, new building plan, or the amount of money collected during last week's service. Collecting the tithes and offerings is one part of the church service that is never forgotten. Jesus spoke and acted harshly with the money changers in the Temple who were making money by fraudulently representing God. Jesus called them a "den of thieves."

Matthew 21:12 Then Jesus went into the temple of God and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13 And He said to them, "It is written, `My house shall be called a house of prayer,' but you have made it a `den of thieves.' " 14 Then the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them.

The Apostle Paul taught that we are not to put on the yoke of legalistic bondage.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

American radio preacher, Donald Grey Barnhouse, said:

"It was a tragic hour when the reformation churches wrote the Ten Commandments into their creeds and catechisms and sought to bring Gentile believers into bondage to Jewish law, which was never intended either for the Gentile nations or for the church.

Brainwashing of Humans is Easy and Very Effective

Church members come to accept the policies, practices, and teachings in their church as they drift into bondage from the brainwashing techniques used by church officials. This indoctrination is so effective that the member later denies he has been brainwashed. People who have been brainwashed never know it themselves. Humans can easily be taught to believe something that can easily be proven to be absolutely false. Brainwashing can extend to groups of people without a limit in size or scope. Millions of people were brainwashed to believe Communism was the best economic system until the truth was exposed by the fall of the Soviet Union. Cults and false religions have used these techniques with great success for centuries, and Christian churches frequently resort to the same methods. Parents of brainwashed children have engaged reprogramming experts in an attempt to rescue their children from a cult or false religion. Rescue becomes extremely difficult when the oppressed is an adult who is protected by law from outside rescuers. Many parents grew up in Christian churches that used mind control techniques, and they raise their children to receive the same indoctrination generation after generation. They live their entire lives not coming to the knowledge that they have been brainwashed.

Brainwashing and Other Mental and Personality Disorders.

Cults are classic experts in brainwashing techniques. Members in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) repeat false statements over and over at every church meeting until new members are brainwashed into believing they are true. Testimonies are required in which members are expected to repeat false doctrines by making statements such as "Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God." Jehovah's Witnesses is another cult that uses brainwashing techniques with great success. Any member who dares to leave the organization is shunned by close family members, and this intimidation is as intense as one can possibly imagine. Shunning is a masterful bondage technique.
Mind Control in the Cults.
Understanding Mind Control Among Jehovah's Witnesses.

Top Ten Nutritional Myths, Distortions and Lies That Will Destroy Your Health.

The low-fat diet craze is another example of mass brainwashing that has swept the entire world even though the diet has little scientific support. The fear of saturated fats and red meat continues on a massive scale with the strong support of food manufacturers and vegetarians. Saturated animal fats and red meat are very good foods that preserve health and heal the body. It has all been a big fat lie started by vegetable oil manufacturers and vegetarians.
There's much more to read from that. And yes, it is an opinion, but one based on hearing the televangelists and following the born again evangelical republican/teabbaging values in voting.
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I want longwind to point out where the God of the rich is in the NIV.
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They should probably include the Harry Potter books, it would make it more interesting and the magic is more believable...
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I did a little research on this Loren Davis Ministries, a self-proclaimed TV evangelist who considers himself at war with mainstream Christianity. Here are some of his recent assertions:

1) Public education is a satanic conspiracy… that involves pretty much everyone other than those people who agree with Loren Davis.

2) “Satan is a deceiver. He comes with many different masks: ATHEISM, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Communism, public educational institutions, Hollywood and the New Age to name just a few.”

3) Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are part of an anti-Christian conspiracy led from within Christianity by preacher Rick Warren. (fyi Rick Warren is a mainstream evangelical)

4) “THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON AND BARAK OBAMA SPOKE AT RICK WARREN’S SADDLE BACK CHURCH. Why? What does having the politicians speaking at his church have anything to do with bringing people to Christ and faith in the Bible?… Hillary Clinton’s book, “It takes a Village to Raise a Child”, is a socialistic concept. Her national health plan is SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. Is Rick Warren’s promotion of these politicians just coincidental, or indicative of their common socialistic agenda? Rick Warren himself baptized a homosexual activist. This is defying the Bible.”

5) Even most people who call themselves Christians are part of a SECRET SATANIC PLOT to DESTROY JESUS when he returns to Earth. (OMG LW, I had no idea that Christians are out to "destroy Jesus"!!!)

6) The National Football League is part of a conspiracy to promote WORSHIP OF SATAN. (Golly gee whiz, LW, I better quit watching the games!)

Honestly LW! Where do you keep coming up with this crap, let alone buy into it? Or are you just trolling because you're bored with rational discussion? What is more, you don't believe in the Bible anyway, you think it's all just a 2000 year old hoax that has duped tens of millions of incredibly stupid people, so why do you care? Oh wait! I know why. Because you're one of those evil plotting Atheists that your guru Loren Davis has named in the plot to take over the Christian church and launch a campaign of global conquest. I bet you didn't even know that was on your plate.

Oh, and btw, the New American Standard Bible is over 60 years old, and was commissioned because of more accurate information from the Dead Sea Scrolls that poor King James I did not have access to. Unless you think all 900 of the Dead Sea Scrolls are fake too.
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I did a little research on this Loren Davis Ministries, a self-proclaimed TV evangelist who considers himself at war with mainstream Christianity. Here are some of his recent assertions:

1) Public education is a satanic conspiracy… that involves pretty much everyone other than those people who agree with Loren Davis.

2) “Satan is a deceiver. He comes with many different masks: ATHEISM, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Communism, public educational institutions, Hollywood and the New Age to name just a few.”

3) Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are part of an anti-Christian conspiracy led from within Christianity by preacher Rick Warren. (fyi Rick Warren is a mainstream evangelical)

4) “THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON AND BARAK OBAMA SPOKE AT RICK WARREN’S SADDLE BACK CHURCH. Why? What does having the politicians speaking at his church have anything to do with bringing people to Christ and faith in the Bible?… Hillary Clinton’s book, “It takes a Village to Raise a Child”, is a socialistic concept. Her national health plan is SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. Is Rick Warren’s promotion of these politicians just coincidental, or indicative of their common socialistic agenda? Rick Warren himself baptized a homosexual activist. This is defying the Bible.”

5) Even most people who call themselves Christians are part of a SECRET SATANIC PLOT to DESTROY JESUS when he returns to Earth. (OMG LW, I had no idea that Christians are out to "destroy Jesus"!!!)

6) The National Football League is part of a conspiracy to promote WORSHIP OF SATAN. (Golly gee whiz, LW, I better quit watching the games!)

Honestly LW! Where do you keep coming up with this crap, let alone buy into it? Or are you just trolling because you're bored with rational discussion? What is more, you don't believe in the Bible anyway, you think it's all just a 2000 year old hoax that has duped tens of millions of incredibly stupid people, so why do you care? Oh wait! I know why. Because you're one of those evil plotting Atheists that your guru Loren Davis has named in the plot to take over the Christian church and launch a campaign of global conquest. I bet you didn't even know that was on your plate.

Oh, and btw, the New American Standard Bible is over 60 years old, and was commissioned because of more accurate information from the Dead Sea Scrolls that poor King James I did not have access to. Unless you think all 900 of the Dead Sea Scrolls are fake too.

What about the copper scroll found with the papyrus dead sea scrolls? I did not know about the copper scroll until I watched a story about it on a science channel.
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What about the copper scroll found with the papyrus dead sea scrolls? I did not know about the copper scroll until I watched a story about it on a science channel.
The copper scrolls found in cave #3 were not part of the other 981 papyrus scrolls. The original scrolls date from the time of David c.1,000 BC to the era of the Babylonian Captivity 586-539 BC. The copper scrolls date to the 2nd century Jewish Wars described in the writings of Josephus c. 70-100 AD. They are not Hebrew texts of ancient scripture, but apparently contain an inventory of gold and silver artifacts and their locations, which were probably items of temple worship that were hidden from the Romans. Nothing to do with the Bible.
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The copper scrolls found in cave #3 were not part of the other 981 papyrus scrolls. The original scrolls date from the time of David c.1,000 BC to the era of the Babylonian Captivity 586-539 BC. The copper scrolls date to the 2nd century Jewish Wars described in the writings of Josephus c. 70-100 AD. They are not Hebrew texts of ancient scripture, but apparently contain an inventory of gold and silver artifacts and their locations, which were probably items of temple worship that were hidden from the Romans. Nothing to do with the Bible.
No scrolls written by David or his scribes have been found, copies of scrolls of David perhaps. House of David has only been found carved on a rock in an ancient ruined temple in Syria only one time and only one place, a few years back. Dead Sea Scrolls were written by the Essenes after Christ.
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