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Old May 18th, 2017, 08:11 PM   #31
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Sorry, you're mistaken I have never claimed veteran status.
My mistake.

I served in the Marines from 1968-1974, roughly the era that Kerry served during.
What makes you think you know more about how things were in the military 50 years ago better than I do?
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Old May 18th, 2017, 08:35 PM   #32
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Nah, not a chance, no comparison.

Here's an interesting aside, a bit off topic admittedly.
Can a person perform an unquestionably heroic act but NOT be a hero?
Is that possible?
My personal opinion would be no.
It all depends upon your definition of "heroic act".

In order to qualify as a "heroic act" does the intent have to be there?

For example if a female suicide bomber has an explosive in her purse and a purse snatcher grabs it (with the intention of stealing the purse) and is able to save a number of people is that a "heroic act"?
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Old May 18th, 2017, 08:42 PM   #33
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It all depends upon your definition of "heroic act".

In order to qualify as a "heroic act" does the intent have to be there?

For example if a female suicide bomber has an explosive in her purse and a purse snatcher grabs it (with the intention of stealing the purse) and is able to save a number of people is that a "heroic act"?
IMHO, no.
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Old May 18th, 2017, 09:29 PM   #34
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It all depends upon your definition of "heroic act".

In order to qualify as a "heroic act" does the intent have to be there?

For example if a female suicide bomber has an explosive in her purse and a purse snatcher grabs it (with the intention of stealing the purse) and is able to save a number of people is that a "heroic act"?
No, a real heroic act the person must be aware of the risk they face.
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Old May 18th, 2017, 09:31 PM   #35
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My mistake.

I served in the Marines from 1968-1974, roughly the era that Kerry served during.
What makes you think you know more about how things were in the military 50 years ago better than I do?
I make no presumption. I have read accounts that support the events I described. I have no first hand knowledge or expertise.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 01:17 AM   #36
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You're a veteran you know damned good and well that the one does not "recommend" himself for any sort of award or decoration.
The PH is the the only medal that that is not "recommended" but entitled. One can apply for as often or as many times he/she feels like it. As long as the criteria is met, it will be awarded. Some PH's are not applied for until years or even decades later.

Things such as Traumatic Brain Injury were even lesser known about than problems associated with Agent Orange.

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Yeah, It's a damned good idea to run in the opposite direction from where you just threw a fucking fragmentation grenade.....DUUUUUH........
Not really. A better idea is to take cover, duck, cover ears, etc. Turning tail and running like a scared bitch when you throw your own grenade is your idea of bravery?

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What in the fuck does PH's he did NOT get have to do with the ones he DID? And a PH is NOT a award for "heroics" in an of itself.
It's an award for getting WIA/KIA. Now you might well get wounded in the process of heroics that got you a Silver Star of something.
You also know that officers VERY often got abbreviated tours of duty shorter that the 13 months and enlisted men did.
It shows his character.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 06:49 AM   #37
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I make no presumption. I have read accounts that support the events I described. I have no first hand knowledge or expertise.
You "have read accounts."
So what? You one of those people that believes they can't put it on the intent unless it's true?
BON JOUR!!!!!

You are simply believing what you WANT to, for purely partisan political reasons, and repeating it as if it were fact. Ridiculous!!!
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Bin Laden, Stalin and Mao is Abdullah's heroes. A real anti USA arab. But my list in military force are my new hold on.

Canada is better in hockey than United States all history. Against USA's interest.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 02:30 PM   #39
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You "have read accounts."
So what? You one of those people that believes they can't put it on the intent unless it's true?
BON JOUR!!!!!

You are simply believing what you WANT to, for purely partisan political reasons, and repeating it as if it were fact. Ridiculous!!!
Everyone believes what they want to, everyone. People make rationalizations after the fact to serve their emotional decisions.
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Everyone believes what they want to, everyone. People make rationalizations after the fact to serve their emotional decisions.
No, that's ridiculous and stupid to say.

Donald J. Trump is the POTUS, I do not WANT to believe it, I do NOT like that it's a fact, but that is the reality of the situation, currently.

I do not WANT to believe that I'm an alcoholic, but faced with irrefutable evidence that I am indeed one I accept it as fact.

I do not WANT to believe that the fucking Cubs won the World Series last year. But I watched the games and accept the FACT that they did.

How do you come up with such nonsense? Use the word "some" to begin the 2nd sentence of your post and I'll agree with you.

You defend your nonsense by basically saying, "but EVERYONE does it." WTF?
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