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Old March 1st, 2017, 12:52 PM   #1
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In another thread, a US soldier was called a hero because he was killed in combat. I maintain that's a political definition of a hero.

First of all, no one is in the military who didn't want to be in it. A volunteer military is vastly different from a conscripted military. In a conscripted military, people take time out from their lives to serve in the military. In an all-volunteer force, being in the military is a central part of their lives, and their futures.

Everyone who's in the military is there because they want to be there.

Next, the world has never had a shortage of politicians who bravely fight wars with other people's children for the sake of the mother/father/homeland. Yeah....

So we are involved in a war, a war the 911 Saudis started, with a nation that poses no threat to the US ... again, and one of our volunteer soldiers was killed in the botched raid on Trump's watch, and automatically he's a hero?

Why is he a hero?

What is a hero in 21st Century America?
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Well, Almighty God have long ago established requirements for every hero in Job 38-41:

Chapter 38

38-1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
38-2 Who is this that complicates counsel by words without knowledge?
38-3 Gird up now your loins like a man, for I will demand of thee, and answer you me.
38-4 Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding.
38-5 What are the measures and the length of the earth?
38-6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? Where is laid the cornerstone thereof?
38-7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
38-8 Where are the boundaries of the sea set, which I stopped when it broke forth, issued out of the depth of waters?
38-9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddling band for it,
38-10 And appointed to it my decreed place, and set limits,
38-11 And said, thereto shall you come, but no further, and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
38-12 When morning comes and when dayspring comes,
38-13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be thrown out of it?
38-14 Earth is turned as processed clay, and changes its colours as a garment.
38-15 And when sunset comes, from the wicked their light is withheld, and their high arm is broken.
38-16 Have you dived into the depth of the sea? Have you walked on the bottom of the sea?
38-17 Have you risen from the dead? Have you risen from the grave?
38-18 Have you counted the breadth of the earth? Declare if you know it all.
38-19 Where is the way to the stars? And as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
38-20 That you enter into space and know the paths to the light, the Moon?
38-21 You know that because you were then born and the number of your days is great?
38-22 Have you entered into the treasures of the snow, the North Pole, or have you visited the treasures of the hail, iceberg,
38-23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
38-24 What is the speed of light and how the east wind blows upon the earth?
38-25 Can you dig a channel of waters, and cause a thunderstorm thereupon,
38-26 To irrigate the land, where no man is, the wilderness, wherein there is no man,
38-27 To irrigate the desolate and waste ground, and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
38-28 Whence rain comes? How are formed the drops of dew?
38-29 Whence ice and hoarfrost come?
38-30 The waters become hard as stone, and the face of the waters is frozen.
38-31 Can you calculate the orbits of the stars of Pleiades, calculate the orbits of the stars of Orion?
38-32 Can you calculate the orbits of the stars of a constellation? Can you calculate the orbits of the stars of Arcturus?
38-33 Know you the laws of heaven? Can you establish the dominion thereof in the earth?
38-34 Can you lift up your voice to the clouds that it rains?
38-35 Can you send forth lightening?
38-36 Who has put wisdom in the mind? Who has given understanding to the heart?
38-37 Can you cause rain? Can you stop rain?
38-38 When the land hardens, and stones are brought together by the flow of water?
38-39 Can you hunt the prey for the lion? Can you fill the appetite of the young lions,
38-40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
38-41 Can you provide for the raven his food? When young ravens cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

Chapter 39


39-1 Know you the time when the wild goats of the rock give birth? Or when the hinds do calve?
39-2 Can thou number the months that they fulfill? Know you the time when they give birth?
39-3 They bow themselves, they bear their young ones, they cast out their pains.
39-4 Their young ones are in good liking, they grow up in the fields, they go forth, and return not unto them.
39-5 Can you sent out the wild ass free? Can you loose the bands of the wild ass?
39-6 Whose house I have made the wilderness, and the barren land his dwellings.
39-7 He scorns the multitude of the city, neither regards he the crying of the driver.
39-8 The range of the mountains is his pasture, and he searches after every green thing.
39-9 Will the rhinoceros be willing to serve you, or abide by your manger?
39-10 Can you yoke the rhinoceros in the plow? Will he plough your field after you?
39-11 Will you trust him, because his strength is great? Will you let him plough your field?
39-12 Will you bring your harvest upon him into your barn?
39-13 Will the peacocks with the goodly wings be willing to serve you? Will the ostrich with wings and feathers be willing to serve you?
39-14 Which leaves her eggs in the earth, and warms them in dust,
39-15 And forgets that the foot may crush them, or that the wild beast may break them.
39-16 She is hardened against her young ones, as well as against the young ones that are not hers, her labor is in vain without fear,
39-17 Because God hath deprived her of wisdom, neither hath he imparted to her understanding.
39-18 What time she lifts up herself on high, she scorneth the horse and his rider.
39-19 Will the horse, whose neck is clothed with mane, be willing to serve you?
39-20 Can you make him afraid as a grasshopper? The glory of his nostrils is terrible.
39-21 He paws in the valley, and rejoices in his strength, he goes on to meet the armed men.
39-22 He mocks at fear, and is not affrighted, neither turns he back from the sword.
39-23 The quiver rattles against him, the glittering spear and the shield.
39-24 He swallows the ground with fierceness and rage, neither believes he that it is the sound of the trumpet.
39-25 He raises voice among the trumpets, and he smells the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting.
39-26 Does the hawk fly at your command, and stretch her wings toward the south?
39-27 Does the eagle mount up at your command, and make her nest on high?
39-28 She dwells and abides on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.
39-29 From thence she seeks the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.
39-30 Her young ones also suck up blood, and where the slain are, there is she.

Chapter 40

40-1 Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said,
40-2 Shall he that contends with the Almighty instruct him? He that reproves God, let him answer it.
40-3 Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
40-4 Behold, I am vile, what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
40-5 Once have I spoken, but I will not answer, yea, twice, but I will proceed no further.
40-6 Then answered the Lord unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
40-7 Gird up your loins now like a man, I will demand of thee, and declare you unto me.
40-8 Will you also disannul my judgment? Will you condemn me, that you may be righteous?
40-9 Have you an arm like God? Can you thunder with a voice like him?
40-10 Deck yourself now with majesty and excellency, and array yourself with glory and beauty.
40-11 Cast abroad the rage of your wrath, behold every one that is arrogant, and abase him.
40-12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low, and eradicate all the wicked in their places.
40-13 Hide them in the dust together, and bury them in secret.
40-14 Then will I also confess unto you that thine own right hand can save you.
40-15 Behold now the elephant, which I made as you, he eats grass as an ox.
40-16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
40-17 He moves his trunk with a cedar, the sinews of his thighs are wrapped together.
40-18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass, his bones are like bars of iron.
40-19 He is the first in the creation of God, he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
40-20 Surely the mountains bring him grass, where all the beasts of the field play.
40-21 He lies under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
40-22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow, the willows of the brook compass him about.
40-23 Behold, he drinks from a river, and hastes not, he is calm even though Jordan draws into his mouth.
40-24 Can you capture him when he is on watch, with trap can you pierce his nose?

Chapter 41

41-1 Can you draw out the crocodile with an hook and his tongue with a cord which you let down?
41-2 Can you put a hook into his nose? Can you pierce his jaw with a hook?
41-3 Will he be friendly to you? Will he follow you meekly?
41-4 Will he obey your commands? Will he serve you?
41-5 Will you play with him as with a bird? Will you bind him for your maidens?
41-6 Shall the traders bargain over him? Shall they part him among the merchants?
41-7 Can you pierce his skin with the spear? Can you pierce his head with fish spears?
41-8 Lay your hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.
41-9 Behold, your hope is in vain, shall you be cast down even at the sight of him?
41-10 None is so fierce that dare stir him up, who then is able to stand before me?
41-11 Who was before me, that I should repay him? Whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.
41-12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.
41-13 Can you remove his skin? Can you come to him with his double bridle?
41-14 Can you open his jaws? His teeth are terrible round about.
41-15 His scales are his pride, shut up together tightly.
41:16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.
41-17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be separated.
41-18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
41-19 Out of his mouth goes tongue as burning torch, and sparks of fire leap out.
41-20 Out of his nostrils goes smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
41-21 His breath that goes out of his mouth kindles coals and kindles flame.
41-22 His neck is strong, and dismay goes before him.
41-23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together, they are firm in themselves, they cannot be moved.
41-24 His heart is as firm as a stone, yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.
41-25 When he raises up himself, the mighty are afraid, when he perishes, they are bewildered
41-26 The sword of him that lays at him will not be helpful against him, nor the spear, nor the dart, nor the habergeon.
41-27 He esteems iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.
41-28 The arrow cannot make him flee, sling stones are turned for him into stubble.
41-29 Darts are counted as stubble, he laughs at the shaking of a spear.
41-30 Sharp stones are under him, he lies upon sharp stones in the mire.
41-31 He makes the depths to boil like a pot, he makes the river like a pot of ointment.
41-32 He makes a path to shine after him, one would think the depths to be hoary.
41-33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
41-34 He boldly beholds all high things, he is a king over all that creep upon the earth.

My humble person, free, just and prosperous man of free conscience, who knows how the world was created out of nothing, is able to fulfill Job 38-41, thereby establishing that my own hand can save me.

Whether there is an American hero, who is able to fulfill Job 38-41, thereby establishing that his own hand can save him, time will tell.
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In another thread, a US soldier was called a hero because he was killed in combat. I maintain that's a political definition of a hero.

First of all, no one is in the military who didn't want to be in it. A volunteer military is vastly different from a conscripted military. In a conscripted military, people take time out from their lives to serve in the military. In an all-volunteer force, being in the military is a central part of their lives, and their futures.

Everyone who's in the military is there because they want to be there.

Next, the world has never had a shortage of politicians who bravely fight wars with other people's children for the sake of the mother/father/homeland. Yeah....

So we are involved in a war, a war the 911 Saudis started, with a nation that poses no threat to the US ... again, and one of our volunteer soldiers was killed in the botched raid on Trump's watch, and automatically he's a hero?

Why is he a hero?

What is a hero in 21st Century America?
Because someone chose to go into harms way they are less of a hero?

That's inane.
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In another thread, a US soldier was called a hero because he was killed in combat. I maintain that's a political definition of a hero.

First of all, no one is in the military who didn't want to be in it. A volunteer military is vastly different from a conscripted military. In a conscripted military, people take time out from their lives to serve in the military. In an all-volunteer force, being in the military is a central part of their lives, and their futures.

Everyone who's in the military is there because they want to be there.

Next, the world has never had a shortage of politicians who bravely fight wars with other people's children for the sake of the mother/father/homeland. Yeah....

So we are involved in a war, a war the 911 Saudis started, with a nation that poses no threat to the US ... again, and one of our volunteer soldiers was killed in the botched raid on Trump's watch, and automatically he's a hero?

Why is he a hero?

What is a hero in 21st Century America?
The word hero has been so vastly over-used as to become almost meaningless.
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In another thread, a US soldier was called a hero because he was killed in combat. I maintain that's a political definition of a hero.

First of all, no one is in the military who didn't want to be in it. A volunteer military is vastly different from a conscripted military. In a conscripted military, people take time out from their lives to serve in the military. In an all-volunteer force, being in the military is a central part of their lives, and their futures.

Everyone who's in the military is there because they want to be there.

Next, the world has never had a shortage of politicians who bravely fight wars with other people's children for the sake of the mother/father/homeland. Yeah....

So we are involved in a war, a war the 911 Saudis started, with a nation that poses no threat to the US ... again, and one of our volunteer soldiers was killed in the botched raid on Trump's watch, and automatically he's a hero?

Why is he a hero?

What is a hero in 21st Century America?


Reminds me of a quote which I'll paraphrase: You are special....just like everybody else.
Our language has become so watered down. These days everyone's a hero. I think of a hero as someone who finds him/herself in an extraordinary position and must make a life-altering decision quickly. Examples: Running into a burning building to rescue a person. Jumping into a large body of water to rescue a drowning child. In other words, putting your life on the line to help another being, and considering the safety and welfare of another before your own; or making an enormous personal sacrifice to help a cause, without material gain.

Doing a job we signed on for is not heroic although in some instances I suppose that job could evolve into a heroic opportunity. Firefighters, police, doctors, etc. save lives every day but are they heroes? Role models are plentiful--even sports figures, teachers, nurses, volunteers---but are they heroes? AND....
There's a difference between being a victim and being a hero or being GOOD at your job (Like Sully the pilot) and being a hero.
Not everyone who does a good deed is a hero. Not everyone who chooses to do the RIGHT THING at the RIGHT TIME is a hero.
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to put it another way "it goes with the territory "
or you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.
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Anyone who CHOOSES to do the right thing at expense or risk themselves is a hero to some extent.
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If a person stops in their car to help a person stranded on the road, they are taking a risk, and to that extent is a hero.

If a person runs to free a person from a burning wreck moments before it explodes, then they are to a greater extent a hero.

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If a person stops in their car to help a person stranded on the toad, they are taking a risk, and to that extent is a hero.

If a person runs to free a person from a burning wreck moments before it explodes, then they are to a greater extent a hero.
not really ,that is an act of ordinary concern.
if there had been a car load of people that would be heroic .
being heroic does not automatically make you a hero.
btw that's road not toad .
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not really ,that is an act of ordinary concern.
if there had been a car load of people that would be heroic .
being heroic does not automatically make you a hero.
btw that's road not toad .
Being heroic does not make you a hero.

.???

That makes no sense.
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