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Old April 29th, 2017, 10:08 AM   #11
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The return of Jesus as judge doesn't exactly mean that everything will be gone. I, along with other believers, will still be around. Sure, the earth itself will be remade. There will be a new heaven and a new earth, so past artifacts of humanity will be gone, but there will be absolutely NO futility in the existence of those of us who spend eternity with God on the new earth.
That's really interesting. What church teaches that?
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Einstein himself agreed that the universe wasn't steady state in the thirties, that's when he admitted it was his biggest mistake.

Basically only Christian apologists have held on to that concept much after that.

And if my choice is the sun going nova in 7 billion years or Trump starting MAD next week, I know which one I'd prefer.
I've been pondering this post, mostly wondering if you are being deliberately obtuse to goad me into saying something infractionable.

Christians, apologists and otherwise, have always believed the universe had a beginning and will have an end. It was the believers in scientism, such as Einstein, who clung to the steady state theory in spite of reason and evidence to the contrary.
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So things heating up in N.Korea got me thinking along this line. Doesn't really matter if you blame Carter, Bush, Clinton, or Obama, they all kicked this can down the road. A guess a lot if you will blame Trump, but set that aside please, what I would like to discuss is the end of everything.

At some point once you realize the inevitability that someday every human being will be gone and even every trace that humans ever existed will be gone, it should give you a sense of the futility of everything. Doesn't matter if the end comes from war, the sun swelling into a red giant, or the return of Jesus as judge, at some future point everything is gone.
I take it that you mean the end of Earth when you wrote the end of everything. Our Sun will grow into a Red Giant in 5.5 billion years but that is not the end of everything because there is a chance that the Sun will cast out Earth into outer space rather than absorbing it. Anaerobic microbes live in deep rocks on Earth and if cast out microbes will survive until the nuclear core of Earth runs out of fuel which would take millions if not billions of years.
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I take it that you mean the end of Earth when you wrote the end of everything. Our Sun will grow into a Red Giant in 5.5 billion years but that is not the end of everything because there is a chance that the Sun will cast out Earth into outer space rather than absorbing it. Anaerobic microbes live in deep rocks on Earth and if cast out microbes will survive until the nuclear core of Earth runs out of fuel which would take millions if not billions of years.
The description and particulars of the end of humanity, the point is eventually every memory of every person, every bit of history, every thing that any human ever built will be gone. And once it's gone , it's gone forever. Doesn't matter if it's a million years from now or next Tuesday, in the long run, nothing anybody ever does matters at all.
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The description and particulars of the end of humanity, the point is eventually every memory of every person, every bit of history, every thing that any human ever built will be gone. And once it's gone , it's gone forever. Doesn't matter if it's a million years from now or next Tuesday, in the long run, nothing anybody ever does matters at all.
Information can never be lost because that would violate the information principle.
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Information can never be lost because that would violate the information principle.
Information never lost? Absurd. My wife taped over my copy of Howard the Duck, can you get that back for me?
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Information never lost? Absurd. My wife taped over my copy of Howard the Duck, can you get that back for me?
Howard the Duck was a stupid movie that I went and saw on the big screen. Lucas was the producer and director. You imply that there is science in it and the next time it airs I will watch it. I loved to watch Third Rock from the Sun but it is not aired anymore. Big Head, etc.
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I've been pondering this post, mostly wondering if you are being deliberately obtuse to goad me into saying something infractionable.

Christians, apologists and otherwise, have always believed the universe had a beginning and will have an end. It was the believers in scientism, such as Einstein, who clung to the steady state theory in spite of reason and evidence to the contrary.
Think about it. If they clung to it so ferociously, why did Einstein himself call it a blunder not all that long after having postulated it?

And what over believers in scientism are you speaking of since the example you gave is so obviously wrong.

BTW, cosmologists are now resurrecting the constant Einstein proposed in order to explain dark matter.

See, that's how all science, including climate science works. You check, and recheck and evolve concepts to accommodate new data.

As opposed to believing the universe is 6000 years old and a 600 year old man built a vessel that wouldn't be seaworth the size of an aircraft carrier with stone tools and holding on to that even more ferociously for thousands of years.
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Information never lost? Absurd. My wife taped over my copy of Howard the Duck, can you get that back for me?
So, do you think that was the only copy in the world?
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The return of Jesus as judge doesn't exactly mean that everything will be gone. I, along with other believers, will still be around. Sure, the earth itself will be remade. There will be a new heaven and a new earth, so past artifacts of humanity will be gone, but there will be absolutely NO futility in the existence of those of us who spend eternity with God on the new earth.
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The description and particulars of the end of humanity, the point is eventually every memory of every person, every bit of history, every thing that any human ever built will be gone. And once it's gone , it's gone forever. Doesn't matter if it's a million years from now or next Tuesday, in the long run, nothing anybody ever does matters at all.
@webguy, comment on Bookworm's post?
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