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Old April 29th, 2017, 04:09 PM   #21
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That's really interesting. What church teaches that?
Well, I first learned it when I attended Baptist churches, but it is also taught in the Evangelical Free Church I now attend.

Any denomination that believes in an afterlife, and all Christian denominations would qualify, would deny the claim that "eventually every memory of every person . . . will be gone. And once it's gone, it's gone forever."
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Old April 29th, 2017, 04:23 PM   #22
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Well, I first learned it when I attended Baptist churches, but it is also taught in the Evangelical Free Church I now attend.

Any denomination that believes in an afterlife, and all Christian denominations would qualify, would deny the claim that "eventually every memory of every person . . . will be gone. And once it's gone, it's gone forever."
It's the part about being on earth that interested me.
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Old April 29th, 2017, 04:28 PM   #23
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Me neither, fuck it, I've had a good life.


I'm with you, HW. Might as well go out with a bang! I'm ready.
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Old April 29th, 2017, 04:36 PM   #24
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It's the part about being on earth that interested me.
Then you might be interested in reading this entry for 'new heaven and new earth" from Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology.
New Heavens and a New Earth - Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology Online
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Old April 29th, 2017, 05:06 PM   #25
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I look at my life as brief period in a greater stream of time.
Evolution continues, we become a galactic civilization.
We (humanity or rather what we evolve into) can survive the end of earth.
Eventually, it all ends as the universe cools to absolute zero.
But that's tens of billions of years from now, and maybe Gaia can figure out how to beat that, by starting a new universe...
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So things heating up in N.Korea got me thinking along this line. Doesn't really matter if you blame Carter, Bush, Clinton, or Obama, they all kicked this can down the road. A guess a lot if you will blame Trump, but set that aside please, what I would like to discuss is the end of everything.

At some point once you realize the inevitability that someday every human being will be gone and even every trace that humans ever existed will be gone, it should give you a sense of the futility of everything. Doesn't matter if the end comes from war, the sun swelling into a red giant, or the return of Jesus as judge, at some future point everything is gone.
Have you ever seriously checked out Buddhism?
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Think about it. If they clung to it so ferociously, why did Einstein himself call it a blunder not all that long after having postulated it?

And what over believers in scientism are you speaking of since the example you gave is so obviously wrong.

BTW, cosmologists are now resurrecting the constant Einstein proposed in order to explain dark matter.

See, that's how all science, including climate science works. You check, and recheck and evolve concepts to accommodate new data.

As opposed to believing the universe is 6000 years old and a 600 year old man built a vessel that wouldn't be seaworth the size of an aircraft carrier with stone tools and holding on to that even more ferociously for thousands of years.
Kudos to Einstein for owning his mistake, but, fact remains evidence and reason told him he was wrong and he went out of his way solely because of a bias against the idea of the universe having a creation moment.

My internet search reading tells me Einstein stuck with his steady state hypothesis about twenty years.

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@webguy, comment on Bookworm's post?
I will hold comment on this for a time, I am working on philosophy here not religion directly.

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Kudos to Einstein for owning his mistake, but, fact remains evidence and reason told him he was wrong and he went out of his way solely because of a bias against the idea of the universe having a creation moment.

My internet search reading tells me Einstein stuck with his steady state hypothesis about twenty years.
I read somewhere that he formulated the cosmological constant in 1917 and abandoned it (incorrectly) in 1930. I can't find that source again.

But so what? I don't see the significance you seem to want to place on that.
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I will won't hold comment on this for a time, I am working on philosophy here not religion directly.
You said "what I would like to discuss is the end of everything" and "At some point once you realize the inevitability that someday every human being will be gone . . . it should give you a sense of the futility of everything."

If "philosophy" creates in you a sense of futility in spite of the hope that religion offers, then I fail to see any advantage in sticking to philosophy alone.
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