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Old April 30th, 2017, 06:33 PM   #51
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Before Hubble published his observations and calculations, there was nothing to show the universe was expanding. Observed stars were where they always were when looked at over the period of lifetimes.

Science has never, other than in your mind, given a shit about the futility of life. That's your invention.
One, Hubble was not first.

Two, the negative is not evidence of the positive. There was no observation that showed a steady state.
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Old April 30th, 2017, 06:37 PM   #52
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Hoyle created the name "Big Bang" to belittle the the idea of an expanding universe.

George's Lemaitre created the physics of the theory that Hoyle was trying to besmirch through sarcasm.
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Anyway, back to the futility of life...

At some point every trace of every human that ever lived is gone. And anything we've ever lovered, admired, or loathed doesn't matter at all.

Anyone of whom it was ever said, they will not have died in vain , will have died in vain.
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One, Hubble was not first.

Two, the negative is not evidence of the positive. There was no observation that showed a steady state.
"There was no observation that showed a steady state."

What a joke. There was no observation of it changing. You are just trolling now.

Oh. And how would you describe a situation where change wasn't observed?

And as far as Hubble not being the first, yes, there were other calculations showing it but no one accepted them because they did not match the observations.
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No observation is not an observation
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No observation is not an observation
Totally wrong, again.
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Old April 30th, 2017, 08:02 PM   #57
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Anyway, back to the futility of life...

At some point every trace of every human that ever lived is gone. And anything we've ever lovered, admired, or loathed doesn't matter at all.

Anyone of whom it was ever said, they will not have died in vain , will have died in vain.
You have no proof that this is true. Granted, I don't have any proof that my soul is going to live on after my body dies, but you also have no proof that it won't.
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You have no proof that this is true. Granted, I don't have any proof that my soul is going to live on after my body dies, but you also have no proof that it won't.
Objectively, the evidence right now is eventually everything goes away.

Subjectively, that's another matter. I believe ... a lot of things.

The people I loved and lost are loved by God and safe in his arms.

I believe a movie line, " What we do in life echoes through eternity".

I believe God can and will redeem me, though I don't deserve it.
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So things heating up in N.Korea got me thinking along this line. Doesn't really matter if you blame Carter, Bush, Clinton, or Obama, they all kicked this can down the road. A guess a lot if you will blame Trump, but set that aside please, what I would like to discuss is the end of everything.

At some point once you realize the inevitability that someday every human being will be gone and even every trace that humans ever existed will be gone, it should give you a sense of the futility of everything. Doesn't matter if the end comes from war, the sun swelling into a red giant, or the return of Jesus as judge, at some future point everything is gone.
I will some day die. We all will.

There is no futility in trying to improve my lot in life and enjoy it while I am here.

The same can be said for humanity. Sure, humanity will some day cease to exist but that doesn't mean it is futile to try and improve our lives while we are here.
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Objectively, the evidence right now is eventually everything goes away.
Is it really the evidence telling us that, or is it our assumptions about the evidence? We can't see into the future, so we can't really talk about observable evidence of the future, can we?
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