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Old April 28th, 2017, 07:47 AM   #1
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The End of the World

So things heating up in N.Korea got me thinking along this line. Doesn't really matter if you blame Carter, Bush, Clinton, or Obama, they all kicked this can down the road. A guess a lot if you will blame Trump, but set that aside please, what I would like to discuss is the end of everything.

At some point once you realize the inevitability that someday every human being will be gone and even every trace that humans ever existed will be gone, it should give you a sense of the futility of everything. Doesn't matter if the end comes from war, the sun swelling into a red giant, or the return of Jesus as judge, at some future point everything is gone.
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So things heating up in N.Korea got me thinking along this line. Doesn't really matter if you blame Carter, Bush, Clinton, or Obama, they all kicked this can down the road. A guess a lot if you will blame Trump, but set that aside please, what I would like to discuss is the end of everything.

At some point once you realize the inevitability that someday every human being will be gone and even every trace that humans ever existed will be gone, it should give you a sense of the futility of everything. Doesn't matter if the end comes from war, the sun swelling into a red giant, or the return of Jesus as judge, at some future point everything is gone.
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Old April 28th, 2017, 09:19 AM   #3
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It wasn't always this way. Some time during the Middle Ages technological improvements started giving people some optimism for the human condition. People were starting to believe in science and that civilization would improve indefinitely.

Part of this belief was that the universe was a place where this could happen. This lead to science having faith in a "steady state" universe. This faith persisted despite evidence to the contrary into the 1960's. This lead to what Einstein called the greatest mistake of his career. He called it the "cosmological constant", a fudge factor he stuck into his equations to eliminate the expanding universe, solely because he did not like the philosophical implications of the universe having a beginning and an end. Even today some scientists still search for ways to justify the steady state model.
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It wasn't always this way. Some time during the Middle Ages technological improvements started giving people some optimism for the human condition. People were starting to believe in science and that civilization would improve indefinitely.

Part of this belief was that the universe was a place where this could happen. This lead to science having faith in a "steady state" universe. This faith persisted despite evidence to the contrary into the 1960's. This lead to what Einstein called the greatest mistake of his career. He called it the "cosmological constant", a fudge factor he stuck into his equations to eliminate the expanding universe, solely because he did not like the philosophical implications of the universe having a beginning and an end. Even today some scientists still search for ways to justify the steady state model.
Einstein himself agreed that the universe wasn't steady state in the thirties, that's when he admitted it was his biggest mistake.

Basically only Christian apologists have held on to that concept much after that.

And if my choice is the sun going nova in 7 billion years or Trump starting MAD next week, I know which one I'd prefer.
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So things heating up in N.Korea got me thinking along this line. Doesn't really matter if you blame Carter, Bush, Clinton, or Obama, they all kicked this can down the road. A guess a lot if you will blame Trump, but set that aside please, what I would like to discuss is the end of everything.

At some point once you realize the inevitability that someday every human being will be gone and even every trace that humans ever existed will be gone, it should give you a sense of the futility of everything. Doesn't matter if the end comes from war, the sun swelling into a red giant, or the return of Jesus as judge, at some future point everything is gone.

There are actually quite of few experts who say we could (or some could) survive armageddon.
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Even if I could survive Armageddon, I'm not sure I want to. I'm too old to fight for every bite to eat and every sip of water to drink. I don't want to fight my way through life for every moment of peace with no guarantee of serenity. I know it's just a movie, but, I am not willing, able or desiring to live through a life of "Mad Max."
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Even if I could survive Armageddon, I'm not sure I want to. I'm too old to fight for every bite to eat and every sip of water to drink. I don't want to fight my way through life for every moment of peace with no guarantee of serenity. I know it's just a movie, but, I am not willing, able or desiring to live through a life of "Mad Max."
Me neither, fuck it, I've had a good life.

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There are actually quite of few experts who say we could (or some could) survive armageddon.
That's the problem! There are megabillionaires who've heard those "experts" and rather than do something about looming climate catastrophe and the growing risk of nuclear annihilation because of increased saber-rattling, they would rather spend millions building luxury, private underground shelters in abandoned missile silos, or are buying property in New Zealand..if they don't want to live out their last days underground, because...according to some climatologists and analysts of nuclear fallout, New Zealand will likely be the last place on Earth where people survive.
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Even if I could survive Armageddon, I'm not sure I want to. I'm too old to fight for every bite to eat and every sip of water to drink. I don't want to fight my way through life for every moment of peace with no guarantee of serenity. I know it's just a movie, but, I am not willing, able or desiring to live through a life of "Mad Max."
Yesterday, when I went on Twitter, my feed was swamped by horror stories from #Fyrefestival. Naturally it was something I never heard of before, so I was happy to get so many unexpected laughs at what is being called "The Hunger Games For Rich Kids." I'd like to know how any of them would survive in an actual disaster......
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So things heating up in N.Korea got me thinking along this line. Doesn't really matter if you blame Carter, Bush, Clinton, or Obama, they all kicked this can down the road. A guess a lot if you will blame Trump, but set that aside please, what I would like to discuss is the end of everything.

At some point once you realize the inevitability that someday every human being will be gone and even every trace that humans ever existed will be gone, it should give you a sense of the futility of everything. Doesn't matter if the end comes from war, the sun swelling into a red giant, or the return of Jesus as judge, at some future point everything is gone.
The return of Jesus as judge doesn't exactly mean that everything will be gone. I, along with other believers, will still be around. Sure, the earth itself will be remade. There will be a new heaven and a new earth, so past artifacts of humanity will be gone, but there will be absolutely NO futility in the existence of those of us who spend eternity with God on the new earth.
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