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Old September 30th, 2017, 02:43 PM   #1
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From the article:

"Yes, we disagree constantly. But what makes our disagreements so toxic is that we refuse to make eye contact with our opponents, or try to see things as they might, or find some middle ground.


Instead, we fight each other from the safe distance of our separate islands of ideology and identity and listen intently to echoes of ourselves. We take exaggerated and histrionic offense to whatever is said about us. We banish entire lines of thought and attempt to excommunicate all manner of people — your humble speaker included — without giving them so much as a cursory hearing.

The crucial prerequisite of intelligent disagreement — namely: shut up; listen up; pause and reconsider; and only then speak — is absent
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RESPONSE: Unfortunately the Internet allows people to remain anonymous and distant, encouraging crackpots, cranks, curmudgeons, and the Internet Commandos to reduce every topic to the talking points of the mainstream (left v. right; conservative v. liberal; Republican v. Democrat; antifa v. white nationalist, etc.) And so, the Internet world is dominated by wannabe bullies that shut down any conversation that is not about them.

Real discussion is when all sides can present their views without the bullying, name calling, and nastiness that dominates the social media world. If more people would learn how to understand the points made by those that express a different view, they might find that many people are actually not on either side and have a grasp of all sides of the discussion, but have formulated their own view.

A good court litigator has studied his opposition to the point that he can argue the case from the opposition's view and still hold onto his / her own view. And, for those who can argue the opposition's view better than their opponent can, they can usually win over a less prepared adversary. In the Internet world, it's mostly about who can get the most posters on one side or the other AND insult their fellow posters until they concede defeat rather than be subjected to cowardly bullying techniques.
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From the article:

"Yes, we disagree constantly. But what makes our disagreements so toxic is that we refuse to make eye contact with our opponents, or try to see things as they might, or find some middle ground.


Instead, we fight each other from the safe distance of our separate islands of ideology and identity and listen intently to echoes of ourselves. We take exaggerated and histrionic offense to whatever is said about us. We banish entire lines of thought and attempt to excommunicate all manner of people your humble speaker included without giving them so much as a cursory hearing.

The crucial prerequisite of intelligent disagreement namely: shut up; listen up; pause and reconsider; and only then speak is absent
."

RESPONSE: Unfortunately the Internet allows people to remain anonymous and distant, encouraging crackpots, cranks, curmudgeons, and the Internet Commandos to reduce every topic to the talking points of the mainstream (left v. right; conservative v. liberal; Republican v. Democrat; antifa v. white nationalist, etc.) And so, the Internet world is dominated by wannabe bullies that shut down any conversation that is not about them.

Real discussion is when all sides can present their views without the bullying, name calling, and nastiness that dominates the social media world. If more people would learn how to understand the points made by those that express a different view, they might find that many people are actually not on either side and have a grasp of all sides of the discussion, but have formulated their own view.

A good court litigator has studied his opposition to the point that he can argue the case from the opposition's view and still hold onto his / her own view. And, for those who can argue the opposition's view better than their opponent can, they can usually win over a less prepared adversary. In the Internet world, it's mostly about who can get the most posters on one side or the other AND insult their fellow posters until they concede defeat rather than be subjected to cowardly bullying techniques.
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