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Old January 6th, 2018, 07:52 AM   #31
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Gordy, just curious and I always meant to ask you--who is the lady in your avatar??
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Old January 6th, 2018, 07:56 AM   #32
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And what about where you get to hiring others and profiting from their labor? At today's radical extreme, does internet megabillionaire - Jeff Bezos have the right to squeeze everything he can out of the low wage workers in his warehouses who are timed down to the second to perform each of their order picking and packing jobs?
Well I did specifically say that I was talking about intellectual property. No one owns my ideas and innovations but me.
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I was born a woman and all the Greek goddesses were about relationships, versus the gods being about action. A woman's role in life is not always about autonomy, especially if she is a mother. It is about caring for others and I think this is important to a society fit for humans.

Athena, Aphrodite, Artemis were virgin goddesses and had more autonomy than the others because they were not controlled by men. Our autonomy changes as we go through the different life phases. I can give the young children in my life 100% of my attention because my time with them is very limited. A mother may find it hard to have any life of her own when she is responsible for children 24/7.

My thoughts are also expressed in the thread about feminism and I appreciate looking at the issue from a slightly different angle. From my point of view, autonomy could be an immaturity and failure to fulfill one's duty. It is not just this and never that. A leader has a duty to those who are led, and I don't think that is an autonomy that is not defined by others?
Well that is different isn't it? A parent is supposed to take care of their children; you're now responsible for another human being.

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Old January 6th, 2018, 08:19 AM   #34
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You have unfettered rage that needs addressed to keep you from going postal. Find a niche and exploit, Darwin.

edit: Fuck them and hooray for me!
Are you a gatekeeper for the new breed of kleptocrats? Otherwise, how is my rage any different than the rage of rightwingers here against the targets they punch down on? As a leftist, my job is to punch up at the undeservedly rich and powerful!
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Old January 6th, 2018, 08:27 AM   #35
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Well I did specifically say that I was talking about intellectual property. No one owns my ideas and innovations but me.
When it comes to intellectual property, I am still uncomfortable with the way everything, including ideas are monetized these days! The greatest inventions..from the polio vaccine to the internet, were created by inventors working on salary. But that was during an era of capitalism when incomes were more equal than they are today, and professionals could count on good pay for life and a pension afterwards. Now, it's everyone grabbing as much as they can like it's the lottery! My complaint specifically is with the new age harvesters of wealth that legally own all content on their social network sites and buy up patents and copyrights of other people's ideas..which never seem to expire anymore like they used to!

Until Mark Twain started drinking his way through his money a century ago, even copyrights on books only lasted 7 years before becoming part of the commons. Now, they last forever.
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You don't want to be the next Dan Fogerty.. All those hits he wrote for CCR he had to walk away
And don't forget the part that...even if he had a good contract, the record company, distributors and radio stations would have walked off with most of the money!
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I am a Christian, I understand that all of us have sinned against God, I also understand my sins are no better than anyone else's sins.
Most of what you write here indicates that the god you devote most of your attention to is the market.
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Even there, if Bill Gates is paying me to develop the next OS and I do, it's his not mine.
Gates started the cyber trend back in the early 90's of buying up smaller companies and applying their products to build monopolies or near monopolies to eliminate competition we heard would be so important in the "new" economy!
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Well that is different isn't it? A parent is supposed to take care of their children; you're now responsible for another human being.
Who is not responsible for another human being? All our representatives are supposed to be representing us. Doctors and nurses are responsible their patients. Leaders of all kinds are responsible for those who follow.

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Old January 6th, 2018, 09:03 AM   #40
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I was born a woman and all the Greek goddesses were about relationships, versus the gods being about action. A woman's role in life is not always about autonomy, especially if she is a mother. It is about caring for others and I think this is important to a society fit for humans.

Athena, Aphrodite, Artemis were virgin goddesses and had more autonomy than the others because they were not controlled by men. Our autonomy changes as we go through the different life phases. I can give the young children in my life 100% of my attention because my time with them is very limited. A mother may find it hard to have any life of her own when she is responsible for children 24/7.

My thoughts are also expressed in the thread about feminism and I appreciate looking at the issue from a slightly different angle. From my point of view, autonomy could be an immaturity and failure to fulfill one's duty. It is not just this and never that. A leader has a duty to those who are led, and I don't think that is an autonomy that is not defined by others?
Have you ever come across "The Chalice & The Blade" by Riane Eisler? https://www.amazon.com/Chalice-Blade.../dp/0062502891
I just discovered this book after hearing the author interviewed a couple of months back after the publisher released a new edition featuring a new epilogue. Some of the gaps in knowledge of neolithic cultures have been filled in with new scientific techniques, but the basic theory that earlier religious/ritual life was centered on a live-giving earth mother goddess/rather than warfaring sky fathers hasn't changed!

The rise of the sky gods..which eventually by way of wars in the heavens reflecting the wars on earth by their patriarchal worshippers..ended up with one supreme sky god having dominion over the earth and by the time the first monotheisms were written and copied, the goddess had disappeared entirely. So, in later codified Judaism, we have male god creator/with no female...and later in the rise of Christianity - God the Father, God the Son all with no need of a mother! This would have been a completely absurd pantheon of gods prior to about 3000 years ago! But the trend reflected the end of relatively peaceful matrilocal settlements after the first wave of barbarian patriarchs came riding out of the desert between 4 and 5000 years ago! Civilization did not have to turn into the shit we've had for the past several millenia, that has gotten even more psychotic in recent decades under monopoly capitalism and wars for profit.

What Eisler's book mentions on Greek gods and goddesses is mostly dealing with the 2nd chapter on the Island of Crete and its influences on later Greek culture. But, it seems that Greece had also gone through that transition of demoting the importance of their goddess - Gaia, and raising the status of Zeus and the war gods.
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