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Old January 17th, 2018, 08:27 PM   #11
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People will be the robots my dude. You guys aren't seeing the bigger picture here. If you can create artificial brains, grow organs and built cybernetic bodies, why would humanity stop at just building cyborgs? The natural end goal would be to usurp our own nature entirely.
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Old January 17th, 2018, 08:42 PM   #12
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But think how that's exactly where our technology is taking us. We aren't in the habit of questioning where technology is taking us.

No, hell no, we've got "free market capitalism" as our religion. If it makes money, it's got to be good.

Technology makes tons of money, and it's promising to relieve humankind of all its struggles!!! How soon before we're all chipped?
When basic human necessities are guaranteed what will motivate people? Whatever there is a shortage of. Luxuries? Private medical care? A license to procreate? Education? Special travel permits? Better food?
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Old January 17th, 2018, 08:49 PM   #13
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When basic human necessities are guaranteed what will motivate people? Whatever there is a shortage of. Luxuries? Private medical care? A license to procreate? Education? Special travel permits? Better food?
What motivates people now?

Bill Gates could have stopped when his “basic necessities” were met but he didn’t.

If people didn’t strive for more than the basics then no company that produces luxury items would exist.
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Old January 17th, 2018, 09:04 PM   #14
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What motivates people now?

Bill Gates could have stopped when his “basic necessities” were met but he didn’t.

If people didn’t strive for more than the basics then no company that produces luxury items would exist.
Most people aren’t bill gates.
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Old January 17th, 2018, 10:14 PM   #15
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Nobody wants to work.
When people have hundreds of millions of dollars, they don't work.
They amuse themselves.
It's the desired state of humanity.

We want to eat and drink and make love, and maybe play golf or tennis or surf or shoot skeet.
Nobody wants to work, that's a myth to keep the donkeys at the treadmill.
You are not a very happy person.
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Old January 17th, 2018, 10:21 PM   #16
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Nobody wants to work.
When people have hundreds of millions of dollars, they don't work.
They amuse themselves.
It's the desired state of humanity.

We want to eat and drink and make love, and maybe play golf or tennis or surf or shoot skeet.
Nobody wants to work, that's a myth to keep the donkeys at the treadmill.
How childishly naive.

No, people don't want to work. But they do want to have to do things they don't want, at some level. It's all about the kind of adversity we face, and striking the right balance between that adversity and getting our own way; a question without an obvious answer.
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Old January 18th, 2018, 02:51 AM   #17
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goober doesn't enjoy his work, and he believes everyone else feels the same way....

I've never had a job that I hated. On the contrary, just like I loved going to school, I've loved my jobs.

I loved building houses. I loved being a journalist and editor. I loved managing an auto repair shop for an uncle. I loved being a sculptor and having an art gallery. I loved being put in charge of building, from scratch, a golf course. Absolutely loved being a waiter in four and five star restaurants. In my teens, I loved being a customs courier for my dad's ocean freight company, going aboard the ships, meeting captains, sometimes families, taking care of their customs needs, sometimes taking them sightseeing.

I loved my very first job, at 13, sacking groceries.

My first lover in university was six years older than me. She was quite accomplished artistically and well-connected to the upper crust of Houston's upper class. I met tons of really rich people before the age of 20.

I can characterize their life experience in three words: Bored as shit. Every once in a while, one of my girlfriend's lady friends would try hit on me, to relieve boredom I suppose. Turning them down was tricky. .

Seems, when doing anything is within a person's reach, doing everything after a while is boring.

"What will people do?" is a major challenge. Living on Easy Street seems to bring out the worst in people, every single time.

We learn through struggling and take the struggle away and we tend to become mentally and physically out of shape ... and worse.
Actually, I have never been happier in my life than in the last 10 years.
My happiness comes from my connections with the people I love.
I am lucky in that what I get paid for is something I do for free in my spare time, I enjoy it so much.

But I would rather not have to work, I look forward to the weekend and to holidays and to vacation. Not because I "hate" work, but because I prefer to do what I want to do when I want to do it. And that's not what work is, work is doing something that someone else wants you to do, when they want you to do it.
Even if it's almost the same, it's not, that's why they call it work.

In the future, there will be less work, at some point, there will be no countries, this will rid us of war. The future to me always looks better than the past.
Even though there are disasters on the horizon, human society should survive in some form, for a while anyway.
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Old January 18th, 2018, 08:09 AM   #18
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Actually, I have never been happier in my life than in the last 10 years.
My happiness comes from my connections with the people I love.
I am lucky in that what I get paid for is something I do for free in my spare time, I enjoy it so much.

But I would rather not have to work, I look forward to the weekend and to holidays and to vacation. Not because I "hate" work, but because I prefer to do what I want to do when I want to do it. And that's not what work is, work is doing something that someone else wants you to do, when they want you to do it.
Even if it's almost the same, it's not, that's why they call it work.

In the future, there will be less work, at some point, there will be no countries, this will rid us of war. The future to me always looks better than the past.
Even though there are disasters on the horizon, human society should survive in some form, for a while anyway.
We have differing conceptions of work, but that's OK. A long while ago in my life I came to the conclusion that every moment has its joy if I can only find it. I love going on a beach vacation. I like nothing more than swimming and surfing in warm salt water, absolutely thrive in it. But I don't feel deprived and bored with my daily life if I can't arrange a visit to salt water.

I reject "holidays," except to say the goal is to make every day a holiday.

I think humankind's evolution has lagged far behind the evolution of our science and technology. We already fail to wisely direct the use of the technology we possess. We aren't "riding" technology. It's riding us. This phenomenon has always been with us. In the last handful of decades, the phenomenon has amplified, and the rate of amplification has increased. The likelihood that further technological advances will show us the way forward, the way that doesn't include catastrophes natural and societal, is slim to none, and truly that's an optimistic view.

The odds are none without radical redefinition of quaint concepts such as "unalienable rights," and "family," and "privacy" among other redefinitions.
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When you look at the self entitled attitudes of the welfare class it’s hard to be optimistic about the future of humanity in a world where less, or even no work is required.
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When you look at the self entitled attitudes of the welfare class it’s hard to be optimistic about the future of humanity in a world where less, or even no work is required.
Looking at the self-entitled elite class gives little cause for hope, either.
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