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Old January 19th, 2018, 04:23 AM   #21
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Nobody wants to work.
When people have hundreds of millions of dollars, they don't work.
They amuse themselves.
It's the desired state of humanity.

We want to eat and drink and make love, and maybe play golf or tennis or surf or shoot skeet.
Nobody wants to work, that's a myth to keep the donkeys at the treadmill.


Goober, that just isn't true. "NOBODY wants to work"?? Not true. I loved working. There's a sense of pride, gratification, satisfaction and fulfillment in doing a job--doing it well--and contributing or playing a small part in the world around us.
Mr. Clara and I live in a retirement town and almost everyone volunteers, until they are too old and infirm to work. There are thousands of people here who enjoy "working" so much that even after they retire they continue to work.
The hospital is manned by 1400 volunteers (last time I checked). The local library has over 100 volunteers. A large group of seniors clean up our parks and boulevards--they plant flowers and pick up trash. They work at food pantries, churches, meals on wheels, Habitat for Humanity, Humane Society (foster rescue dogs), on and on. Why? Because they love working and want to make a contribution.
Those of us who keep working find that work keeps our minds sharp and bodies healthier. We have a purpose and a reason to get up and welcome every new day.
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Old January 19th, 2018, 05:22 AM   #22
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Looking at the self-entitled elite class gives little cause for hope, either.
Self-entitled? Is that something like enjoying the fruits of your own labor?
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Old January 19th, 2018, 05:32 AM   #23
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The human race will be burnt into extinction unless we get shot of capitalism soon, as everyone actually knows, though they are taught to deny it.
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Old January 19th, 2018, 10:00 AM   #24
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Self-entitled? Is that something like enjoying the fruits of your own labor?
No. It's like enjoying the fruits of other peoples' labor.

The leisure class.

The class that thinks having money alone makes them something special.

Maybe you've never been around these folks. I have.
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Old January 19th, 2018, 01:51 PM   #25
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Goober, that just isn't true. "NOBODY wants to work"?? Not true. I loved working. There's a sense of pride, gratification, satisfaction and fulfillment in doing a job--doing it well--and contributing or playing a small part in the world around us.
Mr. Clara and I live in a retirement town and almost everyone volunteers, until they are too old and infirm to work. There are thousands of people here who enjoy "working" so much that even after they retire they continue to work.
The hospital is manned by 1400 volunteers (last time I checked). The local library has over 100 volunteers. A large group of seniors clean up our parks and boulevards--they plant flowers and pick up trash. They work at food pantries, churches, meals on wheels, Habitat for Humanity, Humane Society (foster rescue dogs), on and on. Why? Because they love working and want to make a contribution.
Those of us who keep working find that work keeps our minds sharp and bodies healthier. We have a purpose and a reason to get up and welcome every new day.
Clara,
Volunteering in your leisure time isn't work.
That's voluntary, how many people, doing something for a paycheck, would do that exact same thing, for the exact same time, if they weren't being paid?
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Old January 19th, 2018, 05:10 PM   #26
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No. It's like enjoying the fruits of other peoples' labor.

The leisure class.

The class that thinks having money alone makes them something special.

Maybe you've never been around these folks. I have.
Iíve been snubbed by rich people. And so what? I go my way and they go theirs.
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Old January 27th, 2018, 09:57 AM   #27
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What is the future of the human race?
Chaos until Jesus comes.
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Old January 27th, 2018, 10:32 AM   #28
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The human race will be burnt into extinction unless we get shot of capitalism soon, as everyone actually knows, though they are taught to deny it.
So your plan is to guarantee poverty to the masses and spare them the burden of learning to live with wealth?

Thatís very depressing.
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So your plan is to guarantee poverty to the masses and spare them the burden of learning to live with wealth?

Thatís very depressing.
It's not clear that capitalism - the economic system - can actually deliver a relatively wealthy standard of living to everybody - which is kinda the theoretical promise. If we strive & take the right risks, we can rise to be wealthy - individually & perhaps as families or even nations.

If we (the World, or the West) ever crack fusion, we may very well be able to transmute elements & have limitless power, endless clean water & air & soil, travel the solar system & etc. But clean fusion is always 25 years away - & has been for a long time, from the 1950s CE, @ least.

China & India & the Tiger Nations are finding this out the hard way - there may simply be no way (under current energy production) to actually achieve an economic utopia for even most people, let alone the entire masses of the World. It's going to be a very hard slog for people for the next 50 - 100 years - if Climate Change keeps trending, lack of potable water, declining crop yields (on land, @ sea), acidification of the oceans, loss of pastureland - meaning less pasture for meat animals & dairy animals.
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So your plan is to guarantee poverty to the masses and spare them the burden of learning to live with wealth?

Thatís very depressing.
We might decide to keep you off the booze till you start talking sense, perhaps - a lifetime of sobriety would do you the world of good. McCarthy scared far more mugs under the bed than did Stalin, let's face it - but I suppose he had more cowards to deal with in the first place.
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