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Old January 29th, 2018, 08:23 AM   #51
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I just made up this idea. But no, not everyone. But everyone who chooses to be a slave looses the right to procreate.
No, it's a commonplace in science fiction, stories going back all the way to R.U.R. in 1920CE.

& the notion of trading to become a slave to AIs in order to continue to live, but not procreate. Well, Heinlein had a similar thought in Starship Troopers - but it only extended to becoming a citizen & thereby gaining the franchise. Only citizens could vote, although the Federation didn't seem to care if non-citizens reproduced or not.

In economic terms, it doesn't make any sense. What would an AI want with a human slave, let alone numbers of them? What could a slave do for any AI that it couldn't more efficiently do for itself? Slaves typically do grunt labor - but that's what the bots were created to do in the first place.
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Old January 29th, 2018, 09:37 AM   #52
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No, it's a commonplace in science fiction, stories going back all the way to R.U.R. in 1920CE.

& the notion of trading to become a slave to AIs in order to continue to live, but not procreate. Well, Heinlein had a similar thought in Starship Troopers - but it only extended to becoming a citizen & thereby gaining the franchise. Only citizens could vote, although the Federation didn't seem to care if non-citizens reproduced or not.

In economic terms, it doesn't make any sense. What would an AI want with a human slave, let alone numbers of them? What could a slave do for any AI that it couldn't more efficiently do for itself? Slaves typically do grunt labor - but that's what the bots were created to do in the first place.
AI s would not be motivated to do anything except work. It wouldn’t matter to them if humans were inefficient or even useless.
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Wasn't that global warming, ocean acidification, and the collapse of the food chain?
aka The GOP Climate Policy....
That was one part of it...but the main reason was over-population....
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Old January 29th, 2018, 10:02 AM   #54
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AI s would not be motivated to do anything except work. It wouldn’t matter to them if humans were inefficient or even useless.
I disagree. If we have AIs designing & programming & manufacturing the next generation of AIs, they'd surely apply Occam's razor, & being bots, they'd apply it with a vengeance. No work = no pay (or in this case, no diversion of resources - considerable organics & energy, oxygen, feedstocks, medical care, water, environmental control, space, etc. - to feed useless mouths. Think of them as UberConservatives.)
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I disagree. If we have AIs designing & programming & manufacturing the next generation of AIs, they'd surely apply Occam's razor, & being bots, they'd apply it with a vengeance. No work = no pay (or in this case, no diversion of resources - considerable organics & energy, oxygen, feedstocks, medical care, water, environmental control, space, etc. - to feed useless mouths. Think of them as UberConservatives.)
My brain cannot yet hold the idea that an artificial intelligence can contemplate meaning or purpose to existence.
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My brain cannot yet hold the idea that an artificial intelligence can contemplate meaning or purpose to existence.
A design flaw, I suppose. But no, an AI doesn't have to have a soul nor whatever it is we mean by a higher consciousness in order to follow its programming. If the primary goal is to conserve resources & expend them only to bring an ideal into reality, then that's exactly what an AI would do.

If humanity were to present itself as an obstacle to achieving an AI's goals, then I'm sure that humanity would be moved aside. Possibly preserved, @ least tissue & DNA samples - against some future need. Whether the culture (& which one?) would also survive, would be up to the logic of the AI.
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My brain cannot yet hold the idea that an artificial intelligence can contemplate meaning or purpose to existence.
Why not? It's not much different from the way our brain works, just made up of different materials.
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Why not? It's not much different from the way our brain works, just made up of different materials.
I don’t think u have much experience with AI.
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I don’t think u have much experience with AI.
I thought you were speaking about a hypothetical strong AI
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So some are floating this idea of a guaranteed income. No struggle to survive required. Everybody just gets by. Imagine the detrimental effects this will have on people.
In my optimism I anticipate most people engaging in useful activity that they enjoy. Sometimes just having no boss, no pressure, and no deadlines make what was drudgery pleasant and even enjoyable.

Under capitalism all the benefits of robotics will go to the top and the rest of us will go deeper and deeper into poverty and misery. Those are the "detrimental effects" on people that you mentioned.

In order to use robotics to serve "we the people", lighten the burden, increase leisure time, and provide income for all, it would be necessary to first switch to a people-oriented, middle-class-run, economic system.... one that by design puts the people first. And the only one I know of is a form of socialism.
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