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Old April 22nd, 2018, 11:15 AM   #11
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Yah, I still have to look @ Greece & Athens & Sparta. I picked up one book, but it's massively comprehensive. Next up is something a little less ambitious in terms of ancient Greece.

Which reminds me - the thinking on Greece & Rome for a long time was that the Greeks were explorers & scientists, philosophers & writers. The Romans, in this view, were administrators & back-office guys - not innovators. There is some justification for that take - wealthy Romans in the Republic & Empire typically had Greek clerks (to write, keep records, do calculations, P&L, etc.) & also Greek advisors on the arts, philosophy, esthetics in general. & as architects, I suppose.

Yah, Asian & India & Native American languages all seem to have a higher tolerance for ambiguity than English as spoken these days. It's a worthwhile topic to look into.
You are the kind of person who makes the Internet and forums a wonderful thing. How much do I not know and how closed is my mind, because I know only one language and think only with my own brain. I have long known the importance of learning other languages, but your last statement has deepened my awareness of how I might improve my understanding of past consciousness by learning a different language. I understand this as an important spiritual matter.

Without tolerance for ambiguity, we must be less tolerant people in general, right? Look at how we argue about what is true and what is false, as though all things can be divided between true or false. My exposure to Eastern philosophy has given me a degree of immunity to this intolerance and either/or thinking. And at the moment I am thinking a wonderful way to spend my day may be to take my book on Eastern philosophy to the gym and enjoy reading it while soaking in the hot tub and looking specifically for words of wisdom that might help me deal with ambiguity.

I think this is the miracle of democracy. It is the greater intelligence coming out of sharing our thoughts. This is the trinity of you, me and a greater knowledge, greater than either one of us could have if we did not stimulate the thoughts of each other. The ameba can only reproduce itself. Sex is required for reproducing variety.

Monad
You cannot conceive of the many without the one... The study or the unit is among those that lead the mind on and turn it to the vision of reality". Plato

Dyad (two)
"Everything that originated from the tree of knowledge carries in it duality."
Zohar (mystical Jewish text)

Trinity
"The triad has a special beauty and fairness beyond all numbers, primarily because it is the very first to make actual the potentialities of the Monad." Iamblichus (c. 250-c. 330, Greek Neoplatonic philosopher.

Rule by one god, one king, one political party will atrophy because they can not reproduce the variety of life, nor balance.

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Old April 22nd, 2018, 01:23 PM   #12
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Without tolerance for ambiguity, we must be less tolerant people in general, right? Look at how we argue about what is true and what is false, as though the all things can be divided between true or false. My exposure to Eastern philosophy has given me a degree of immunity to this intolerance of others and what they think. And at the moment I am thinking a wonderful way to spend my day may be to take my book on Eastern philosophy to the gym and enjoy reading it while soaking in the hot tub and lookings specifically for words of wisdom that might help me deal with ambiguity.

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There's some truth to that, especially given the simplification of foreign policy views since WWII - it's either all our way, or all wrong. Our experience with the USSR was unfortunate - even though they did a lot of the heavy lifting on the battlefield in Europe, & took (& inflicted) massive casualties & damage from Nazi Germany - our goals in Europe diverged enough that we wouldn't come to an accommodation. While we never competed directly militarily, our proxy wars caused a lot of grief in the World.

Once the Warsaw Pact & the USSR folded, the US lost its sense of caution in maneuvering in the World. Whereas before, the USSR would pounce on any mistakes, there was no one left to menace us as the Soviets had. & so we became overconfident. & the rivalry with the Soviets also simplified conflict to some extent - with patrons on each side, we could negotiate directly with our opposite numbers on the other side of the Iron Curtain - unlike today as we try to deal with Isis & Taliban & N. Korea & Iran, Syria & Hamas & even Pakistan.

Yes, the flow of information & power in the World is never ending. & to see it completely means we have to try to see it as it is, rather than only see what we want to see. It's a question of patterning - patterning lets us fill in blanks, & as long as we're aware of its imitations, it's a useful tool. Once we apply the tool too widely, & under circumstances that aren't conducive to filling in patterns - or where we simply don't have the experience to discern useful patterns - then we have a case of overreach.

Perception is important. Language & culture are filters, in that they help condition what we see & what we pay attention to (filters are useful too, within their limits. If there's too much information, we suffer overload. But with too much filtering, we become trapped in the filters.) Thus the Spanish proverb - Every head is a universe.
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