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Old May 18th, 2012, 10:38 AM   #1
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This is disgusting....shouldn't it be the lower 51 percent who take from liberty the most? If they were wealthier , they wouldn't they wouldn't need government handouts., thus increasing freedom.



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This is disgusting....shouldn't it be the lower 51 percent who take from liberty the most? If they were wealthier , they wouldn't they wouldn't need government handouts., thus increasing freedom.


Corporate welfare is far more egregious than helping poor people.



Did the oil companies really need a $4BILLION handout this year when they are making record profits?



The Republican-led, Tea Party tweaked House thinks they do and voted for it.
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This is disgusting....shouldn't it be the lower 51 percent who take from liberty the most? If they were wealthier , they wouldn't they wouldn't need government handouts., thus increasing freedom.


Corporate welfare is far more egregious than helping poor people.



Did the oil companies really need a $4BILLION handout this year when they are making record profits?



The Republican-led, Tea Party tweaked House thinks they do and voted for it.


Welfare, medicaid, and unemployment cost EXPONENTIALLY more than $4 B. Those are mostly promoted by democrats. To be honest, I never heard about that one you cite. Could you give me a link to an article on it?
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[quote name='Politicskid' timestamp='1342019414' post='412883']

This is disgusting....shouldn't it be the lower 51 percent who take from liberty the most? If they were wealthier , they wouldn't they wouldn't need government handouts., thus increasing freedom.


Corporate welfare is far more egregious than helping poor people.



Did the oil companies really need a $4BILLION handout this year when they are making record profits?



The Republican-led, Tea Party tweaked House thinks they do and voted for it.


Welfare, medicaid, and unemployment cost EXPONENTIALLY more than $4 B. Those are mostly promoted by democrats. To be honest, I never heard about that one you cite. Could you give me a link to an article on it?

[/quote]



Welfare medicaid and unemployment insurance are not really "handouts" they are earned benefits.



People pay into those funds when they are working.



Here ya go:



March 30, 2012 7:28 AM GOP blocks Obama's bid to end oil subsidies



Senate Republicans Thursday shot down President Obama's plan to cut off oil companies' tax breaks.



The president says there's not much he can do to control gas prices. Nonetheless, he's working hard to appear to be trying.



He came to the White House rose garden Thursday to urge the Senate to repeal $4 billion in tax subsidies for big oil companies, even though no one thinks that would lower prices at the pump.



"They can either vote to spend billions of dollars on oil subsidies that keep us trapped in the past," said Mr. Obama, "or they can vote to end these taxpayer subsidies that aren't needed to boost oil production."



But moments after the president's plea, the Senate voted 51-47 against the bill, with four Democrats in the majority.

http://www.cbsnews.c...-oil-subsidies/
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Old July 11th, 2012, 10:54 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Politicskid' timestamp='1342031358' post='412926

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1342025425' post='412915']

[quote name='Politicskid' timestamp='1342019414' post='412883']

This is disgusting....shouldn't it be the lower 51 percent who take from liberty the most? If they were wealthier , they wouldn't they wouldn't need government handouts., thus increasing freedom.


Corporate welfare is far more egregious than helping poor people.



Did the oil companies really need a $4BILLION handout this year when they are making record profits?



The Republican-led, Tea Party tweaked House thinks they do and voted for it.


Welfare, medicaid, and unemployment cost EXPONENTIALLY more than $4 B. Those are mostly promoted by democrats. To be honest, I never heard about that one you cite. Could you give me a link to an article on it?

[/quote]



Welfare medicaid and unemployment insurance are not really "handouts" they are earned benefits.



People pay into those funds when they are working.



Here ya go:



March 30, 2012 7:28 AM GOP blocks Obama's bid to end oil subsidies



Senate Republicans Thursday shot down President Obama's plan to cut off oil companies' tax breaks.



The president says there's not much he can do to control gas prices. Nonetheless, he's working hard to appear to be trying.



He came to the White House rose garden Thursday to urge the Senate to repeal $4 billion in tax subsidies for big oil companies, even though no one thinks that would lower prices at the pump.



"They can either vote to spend billions of dollars on oil subsidies that keep us trapped in the past," said Mr. Obama, "or they can vote to end these taxpayer subsidies that aren't needed to boost oil production."



But moments after the president's plea, the Senate voted 51-47 against the bill, with four Democrats in the majority.

http://www.cbsnews.c...-oil-subsidies/

[/quote]



Okay, you can also say that maybe the oil corporations earned their benefits, too. They've been paying very large amounts of taxes, in addition to providing a valuable service. They've paid in, too. Anyway, the more money companies have, the more sustainable jobs they can create. I'm against government subsidies of any kind, but you have to keep in mind the increasing amounts of regulation oil compainines have to deal with. If they're going to make them do something, they should pay for it.



If we just removed BOTH the enviremental hypocrisy and the subsidies, things would work much better.
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Originally Posted by gary' timestamp='1342031675' post='412928

[quote name='Politicskid' timestamp='1342031358' post='412926']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1342025425' post='412915']

[quote name='Politicskid' timestamp='1342019414' post='412883']

This is disgusting....shouldn't it be the lower 51 percent who take from liberty the most? If they were wealthier , they wouldn't they wouldn't need government handouts., thus increasing freedom.


Corporate welfare is far more egregious than helping poor people.



Did the oil companies really need a $4BILLION handout this year when they are making record profits?



The Republican-led, Tea Party tweaked House thinks they do and voted for it.


Welfare, medicaid, and unemployment cost EXPONENTIALLY more than $4 B. Those are mostly promoted by democrats. To be honest, I never heard about that one you cite. Could you give me a link to an article on it?

[/quote]



Welfare medicaid and unemployment insurance are not really "handouts" they are earned benefits.



People pay into those funds when they are working.



Here ya go:



March 30, 2012 7:28 AM GOP blocks Obama's bid to end oil subsidies



Senate Republicans Thursday shot down President Obama's plan to cut off oil companies' tax breaks.



The president says there's not much he can do to control gas prices. Nonetheless, he's working hard to appear to be trying.



He came to the White House rose garden Thursday to urge the Senate to repeal $4 billion in tax subsidies for big oil companies, even though no one thinks that would lower prices at the pump.



"They can either vote to spend billions of dollars on oil subsidies that keep us trapped in the past," said Mr. Obama, "or they can vote to end these taxpayer subsidies that aren't needed to boost oil production."



But moments after the president's plea, the Senate voted 51-47 against the bill, with four Democrats in the majority.

http://www.cbsnews.c...-oil-subsidies/

[/quote]



Okay, you can also say that maybe the oil corporations earned their benefits, too. They've been paying very large amounts of taxes, in addition to providing a valuable service. They've paid in, too. Anyway, the more money companies have, the more sustainable jobs they can create. I'm against government subsidies of any kind, but you have to keep in mind the increasing amounts of regulation oil compainines have to deal with. If they're going to make them do something, they should pay for it.



If we just removed BOTH the enviremental hypocrisy and the subsidies, things would work much better.

[/quote]



Not a very convincing argument.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 09:26 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Politicskid' timestamp='1342032886' post='412933

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1342031675' post='412928']

[quote name='Politicskid' timestamp='1342031358' post='412926']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1342025425' post='412915']

[quote name='Politicskid' timestamp='1342019414' post='412883']

This is disgusting....shouldn't it be the lower 51 percent who take from liberty the most? If they were wealthier , they wouldn't they wouldn't need government handouts., thus increasing freedom.


Corporate welfare is far more egregious than helping poor people.



Did the oil companies really need a $4BILLION handout this year when they are making record profits?



The Republican-led, Tea Party tweaked House thinks they do and voted for it.


Welfare, medicaid, and unemployment cost EXPONENTIALLY more than $4 B. Those are mostly promoted by democrats. To be honest, I never heard about that one you cite. Could you give me a link to an article on it?

[/quote]



Welfare medicaid and unemployment insurance are not really "handouts" they are earned benefits.



People pay into those funds when they are working.



Here ya go:



March 30, 2012 7:28 AM GOP blocks Obama's bid to end oil subsidies



Senate Republicans Thursday shot down President Obama's plan to cut off oil companies' tax breaks.



The president says there's not much he can do to control gas prices. Nonetheless, he's working hard to appear to be trying.



He came to the White House rose garden Thursday to urge the Senate to repeal $4 billion in tax subsidies for big oil companies, even though no one thinks that would lower prices at the pump.



"They can either vote to spend billions of dollars on oil subsidies that keep us trapped in the past," said Mr. Obama, "or they can vote to end these taxpayer subsidies that aren't needed to boost oil production."



But moments after the president's plea, the Senate voted 51-47 against the bill, with four Democrats in the majority.

http://www.cbsnews.c...-oil-subsidies/

[/quote]



Okay, you can also say that maybe the oil corporations earned their benefits, too. They've been paying very large amounts of taxes, in addition to providing a valuable service. They've paid in, too. Anyway, the more money companies have, the more sustainable jobs they can create. I'm against government subsidies of any kind, but you have to keep in mind the increasing amounts of regulation oil compainines have to deal with. If they're going to make them do something, they should pay for it.



If we just removed BOTH the enviremental hypocrisy and the subsidies, things would work much better.

[/quote]



Not a very convincing argument.

[/quote]





Whatever.
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[quote name='Politicskid' timestamp='1342032886' post='412933']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1342031675' post='412928']

[quote name='Politicskid' timestamp='1342031358' post='412926']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1342025425' post='412915']

[quote name='Politicskid' timestamp='1342019414' post='412883']

This is disgusting....shouldn't it be the lower 51 percent who take from liberty the most? If they were wealthier , they wouldn't they wouldn't need government handouts., thus increasing freedom.


Corporate welfare is far more egregious than helping poor people.



Did the oil companies really need a $4BILLION handout this year when they are making record profits?



The Republican-led, Tea Party tweaked House thinks they do and voted for it.


Welfare, medicaid, and unemployment cost EXPONENTIALLY more than $4 B. Those are mostly promoted by democrats. To be honest, I never heard about that one you cite. Could you give me a link to an article on it?

[/quote]



Welfare medicaid and unemployment insurance are not really "handouts" they are earned benefits.



People pay into those funds when they are working.



Here ya go:



March 30, 2012 7:28 AM GOP blocks Obama's bid to end oil subsidies



Senate Republicans Thursday shot down President Obama's plan to cut off oil companies' tax breaks.



The president says there's not much he can do to control gas prices. Nonetheless, he's working hard to appear to be trying.



He came to the White House rose garden Thursday to urge the Senate to repeal $4 billion in tax subsidies for big oil companies, even though no one thinks that would lower prices at the pump.



"They can either vote to spend billions of dollars on oil subsidies that keep us trapped in the past," said Mr. Obama, "or they can vote to end these taxpayer subsidies that aren't needed to boost oil production."



But moments after the president's plea, the Senate voted 51-47 against the bill, with four Democrats in the majority.

http://www.cbsnews.c...-oil-subsidies/

[/quote]



Okay, you can also say that maybe the oil corporations earned their benefits, too. They've been paying very large amounts of taxes, in addition to providing a valuable service. They've paid in, too. Anyway, the more money companies have, the more sustainable jobs they can create. I'm against government subsidies of any kind, but you have to keep in mind the increasing amounts of regulation oil compainines have to deal with. If they're going to make them do something, they should pay for it.



If we just removed BOTH the enviremental hypocrisy and the subsidies, things would work much better.

[/quote]



Not a very convincing argument.

[/quote]





Whatever.

[/quote]



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